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BayouTraditions and similar NIL “collectives” are offensive.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:09 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:09 am
First let me say…I have absolutely no problem with student athletes making money… if the market bears a certin value for their NIL. But, can we all once and for all agree that NIL is a sham and that the original intent of NIL has been completely lost.
The purpose of NIL was to allow student athletes to benefit/get paid for things like endorsements, commercials, autographs, jersey sales, appearances, etc…things that they can make money on using their name, image, and likeness. Just like the professionals do…and which, once again, I have zero problem with.
Unfortunately, what it has turned into is basically a “Pay for Play” scheme and lets just call collectives like BayouTraditions what they are - they are basically inducement funds to lure and keep recruits.
Imagine a professional team pleading with fans to pay more money so that they can “offer their players more opportunities”. Total BS. If a player’s play on the field is good enough to warrant a local or national company offering them $$ in endorsements….GREAT! That’s how it’s supposed to work.
Patrick Mahomes earning millions to do a stupid commercial with Jake from State Farm - NIL. The Chiefs going to fans and saying “Lets start a fund so we can pay players for their NIL so they will come to and stay in KC” is NOT effing NIL.
When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
The purpose of NIL was to allow student athletes to benefit/get paid for things like endorsements, commercials, autographs, jersey sales, appearances, etc…things that they can make money on using their name, image, and likeness. Just like the professionals do…and which, once again, I have zero problem with.
Unfortunately, what it has turned into is basically a “Pay for Play” scheme and lets just call collectives like BayouTraditions what they are - they are basically inducement funds to lure and keep recruits.
Imagine a professional team pleading with fans to pay more money so that they can “offer their players more opportunities”. Total BS. If a player’s play on the field is good enough to warrant a local or national company offering them $$ in endorsements….GREAT! That’s how it’s supposed to work.
Patrick Mahomes earning millions to do a stupid commercial with Jake from State Farm - NIL. The Chiefs going to fans and saying “Lets start a fund so we can pay players for their NIL so they will come to and stay in KC” is NOT effing NIL.
When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:16 am to TigerFan244
They opened Pandora's box and there is no shutting it. Good luck to LSU and its players but they will never get a cent from me. If I had hundreds of extra dollars a month to blow, I believe I could find something better to spend it on than some 4 or 5 star I don't even know. As I said, good luck to them, but if it all comes burning down I will not give a damn.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:27 am to TigerFan244
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When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
Too far gone. They fought what was inevitable to the bitter end and had no plan once it got going, had they accepted and set guidelines up from day one we’re probably not here. Instead it was the Wild West and the Texas schools were ready to go with collectives from the start
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:31 am to TigerFan244
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:33 am to TigerFan244
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When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
Idk but between this and the transfer portal I wish they would do something. I would love to know the reason why they aren’t doing anything. They can easily set some regulations in regard to NIL and go back to the old transfer rule. But part of the problem also are the people paying these ridiculous NIL deals. Some people just have more money than brains. Esp the ones offering kids who have yet to step on the field.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 7:35 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:38 am to TigerFan244
First Intentions of NIL = Capitalism
Present Status of NIL = Communism. Everyone must get a share.
Present Status of NIL = Communism. Everyone must get a share.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:42 am to TigerFan244
I still stand by the bigger issue with college football is the transfer rules not NIL. That is something the NCAA actually has control over and can fix.
NIL is nothing different than what has been going on behind the scenes for decades at a grander scale since they don’t have to figure out a way to hide the funds.
NIL is nothing different than what has been going on behind the scenes for decades at a grander scale since they don’t have to figure out a way to hide the funds.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:42 am to TigerFan244
The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:43 am to TigerFan244
Who would have ever saw this coming? 
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:45 am to TigerFan244
The intent of NIL was never relevant. The outcome was 100% inevitable, as far as I'm concerned. And it's why NIL never existed long before this. People said "well, the NCAA is just a greedy organization". Hey, no argument there. But that's not the main reason they hesitated to allow student athletes to make money off of their name, image and likeness, imo. It was that everyone with any common sense knew that there was no way you could prevent it from becoming exactly what it has.
There was no chance that players were just going to get some extra "spendin' money" off of some jersey sales and autographs, like so many insisted would be all that would happen. Schools would organize support to have the best players paid whatever it took to keep them away from other schools (within their collective budget, of course).
I always thought the best solution was to just continue not using players' NIL on anything, as they had started doing years ago, so that they couldn't complain that they weren't getting their share of those sales. But no, the NCAA couldn't leave well enough alone, because the players cried "we're the talent! Pay us!". Sorry, that's not how amateur sports work, and with good reason, as everyone can now see, if they didn't know it already.
There was no chance that players were just going to get some extra "spendin' money" off of some jersey sales and autographs, like so many insisted would be all that would happen. Schools would organize support to have the best players paid whatever it took to keep them away from other schools (within their collective budget, of course).
I always thought the best solution was to just continue not using players' NIL on anything, as they had started doing years ago, so that they couldn't complain that they weren't getting their share of those sales. But no, the NCAA couldn't leave well enough alone, because the players cried "we're the talent! Pay us!". Sorry, that's not how amateur sports work, and with good reason, as everyone can now see, if they didn't know it already.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 7:49 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:49 am to TigerFan244
OP is spot on. The whole NIL concept was hijacked as some sort of means to an end to pay players, problem is the revenue to due so is completely manufactured.
As I have been saying for years, this is the NFLs (and NFLPAs fault). Their 3 year out of HS rule effectively gives kids no other options. They never wanted to risk investing in a developmental league. The 3 year rule creates a frictional inefficiency between available talent and job openings. Let the eyeballs that want to see these kids develop follow them and let the college system be what it was built to be and see how the market shakes out money wise. They outsourced development to the NCAA and now it is their job to compensate the players? The irony is that NFL players by and large don’t even realize that their large contracts come at the expense of the college kids that might otherwise be able to play professionally.
What we are left with is some bullshite inefficient system to pay college players to be “fair” to them. The reality is that college football is the best alternative to playing pro and always has been. The college model is more not-for-profit, reinvesting in the programs and facilities themselves. Having to pay players some sort of market value is not compatible with that model. Perhaps people would be willing to spend their money watching these kids develop outside of the school they are aligned with, but nobody has ever successfully taken that risk. And the group most suited to take that risk (the NFL) has put in an arbitrary restriction to protect itself from the cost of internal player development.
Still, simpletons can’t get past “college makes billions, pay players” and the fact that we are now being asked for the money to do so being proof that we have not solved this particular issue.
Meanwhile the only thing I have seen from the NFL are theories that they hand picked the Super Bowl matchup based on officiating.
As I have been saying for years, this is the NFLs (and NFLPAs fault). Their 3 year out of HS rule effectively gives kids no other options. They never wanted to risk investing in a developmental league. The 3 year rule creates a frictional inefficiency between available talent and job openings. Let the eyeballs that want to see these kids develop follow them and let the college system be what it was built to be and see how the market shakes out money wise. They outsourced development to the NCAA and now it is their job to compensate the players? The irony is that NFL players by and large don’t even realize that their large contracts come at the expense of the college kids that might otherwise be able to play professionally.
What we are left with is some bullshite inefficient system to pay college players to be “fair” to them. The reality is that college football is the best alternative to playing pro and always has been. The college model is more not-for-profit, reinvesting in the programs and facilities themselves. Having to pay players some sort of market value is not compatible with that model. Perhaps people would be willing to spend their money watching these kids develop outside of the school they are aligned with, but nobody has ever successfully taken that risk. And the group most suited to take that risk (the NFL) has put in an arbitrary restriction to protect itself from the cost of internal player development.
Still, simpletons can’t get past “college makes billions, pay players” and the fact that we are now being asked for the money to do so being proof that we have not solved this particular issue.
Meanwhile the only thing I have seen from the NFL are theories that they hand picked the Super Bowl matchup based on officiating.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:50 am to TigerFan244
Agreed, and the people giving to these schools are a pile of cucks. Imagine donating so a school can pay their players, then the school in return gives you a newsletter and some cheap trinkets, and then still comes to you hat in hand to pay for tickets and mandatory donations. The schools are making off like bandits.
Between this and the transfer portal, I honestly care less and less every year.
Between this and the transfer portal, I honestly care less and less every year.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:51 am to TigerFan244
I agree with everything completely but when you break down the actual amount of money the universities make off the backs of those kids, what they receive is pennies. When the courts essentially required NIL the NCAA was unprepared. They were so used to winning and being given a pass that they didn't plan for the anarchy that would inevitably happen. Now they have no teeth to reel it in. The courts aren't on their side so there really is no recourse for them now, particularly as it pertains to recruiting "pay for play". It's all leading to the separation of major college sports and the NCAA. The sooner the better imo. No need to go through all the moral grandstanding.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:53 am to BilJ
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Too far gone. They fought what was inevitable to the bitter end and had no plan once it got going, had they accepted and set guidelines up from day one we’re probably not here. Instead it was the Wild West and the Texas schools were ready to go with collectives from the start
This exactly. They had years to get ahead of this and establish a framework and instead buried their heads in the sand.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:03 am to TigerCub
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This exactly. They had years to get ahead of this and establish a framework and instead buried their heads in the sand.
I honestly don't know what framework was going to prevent this. Once they opened the door to this, it was going to come to this point, sooner or later. Once you tell kids that they can profit off of their NIL, how long do you get away with telling them how much they can profit, and in what ways, when players' names, images, and likenesses are being used in all of these things? The very terminology of NIL means there is practically nothing they can't make money on, if they just stick their names or faces on it. This was inevitable as soon as they gave in, or were forced, or whatever anyone wants to say.
Whether we blame the courts, the NCAA, or both, the fact is that people didn't think it through when they decided on allowing any of this, at all.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:04 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:04 am to TigerFan244
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turned into is basically a “Pay for Play” s
This was known from day one
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:06 am to TigerFan244
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Imagine a professional team pleading with fans to pay more money so that they can “offer their players more opportunities”.
NFL owners would love this!!
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:09 am to TigerFan244
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Imagine a professional team pleading with fans to pay more money so that they can “offer their players more opportunities”. Total BS. If a player’s play on the field is good enough to warrant a local or national company offering them $$ in endorsements….GREAT! That’s how it’s supposed to work. Patrick Mahomes earning millions to do a stupid commercial with Jake from State Farm - NIL. The Chiefs going to fans and saying “Lets start a fund so we can pay players for their NIL so they will come to and stay in KC” is NOT effing NIL. When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
Can those of you doing all of this complaining about the new collective not be bothered to do a little basic research? NIL may be recent, but the reason we are here right now goes back a long way.
As long as Title IX exists and there are no exceptions added that would allow for payments to athletes made on a sliding scale based on the revenue a sport generates, there is nothing the NCAA or any conference or school can or will do. This has been discussed for YEARS. Any attempt to pay football players more than other college athletes, specifically female athletes, will immediately result in lawsuits and be shot down. It’s a federal law and it’s not going anywhere. It’s also already the reason that many men’s sports like wrestling, soccer and various Olympic sports at many schools have been closed down in an effort to equalize the number of non-revenue sports offered for men and women.
Go back and look at the added Cost of Attendance stipends that the NCAA pushed through in 2015 (went into effect in 2016). That is the closest they will ever get to being able to pay student athletes directly, but it’s still equal across all sports. Because of that, it’s just peanuts. FBS schools can afford to pay all of their athletes $3,000-$6,000 per year, but there’s no way they are going to pay them all living wage salaries. Schools in the SEC and Big 10 might be able to pull it off without going broke, but most of the athletic departments across the NCAA, including many P5 schools, would not remain financially solvent. That’s just the truth. The majority of FBS schools cannot generate enough revenue to pay every athlete on campus a real wage.
Your only real option to get around this is far worse than NIL. It’s the P5 seceding from the NCAA and all athletic departments permanently separating themselves from universities. Or at least college football (and possibly basketball) would have to do this. That’s the only way around Title IX. Would you rather have NIL or that? I don’t like NIL, but I’ll take it over the death of the entire G5 or it’s relegation to FCS.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:11 am to TigerFan244
quote:thats what they do when they build new stadiums.
Imagine a professional team pleading with fans to pay more money so that they can “offer their players more opportunities”.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:12 am to BilJ
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Too far gone. They fought what was inevitable to the bitter end and had no plan once it got going, had they accepted and set guidelines up from day one we’re probably not here.
Even if the NCAA had capitulated before the Supreme Court ruling, another lawsuit would have eventually opened the door to where we are now. It may have been years, but someone would have gotten greedy and found the right lawyer to kick the door in.
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