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re: Anybody here still think O was a bad hire?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:35 pm to 777Tiger
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:35 pm to 777Tiger
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swear everyone on this board is 15-17 years old, thinking about what they're going to get for Christmas, over reaction would be the understatement of the, um hmm, "millennium," I'd like to think we're the best there ever was, will never lose another game, NCs out the arse, etc., the reality is we still have yet to do jack shite under O, no 'ships, haven't beaten the gumps, this year we've played two decent teams and struggled in both to get out with a win, Jesus kids, tap the fuccking brakes already
But how bout that offense tho?
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:35 pm to Mohican
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But how bout that offense tho?
fricking awesome!
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:37 pm to GeauxTigerNation
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Yes there are. If you unfortunate enough to visit the tiger rant scoreboard on a gameday during the opponents offensive drives, you will see a large flock of them. Then they vanish, only to be seen on the next opposing first down
Biggest bitch pussies on this site. Assholes
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:48 pm to Topwater Trout
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where did they finish in scoring? around 40th I believe...which is in the top 1/3rd of D1
and all it took was one of the most productive FG kickers and 7 OTs
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:52 pm to The Shed
Think back about the candidates available when Aleva rushed to make a quick decision after Herman was nabbed by Texas. The only names then that I don’t believe we ever interviewed that we should have were Scott Frost and PJ Fleck. Others floated around are either no longer a head coach or are floundering. It would have been interesting to see what Fleck would have done here, but there’s no certainty he could have recruited at an SEC West level. What he and his boss do to assure Joe Brady is kept happy for some time going into the future is Orgeron’s next test.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:57 pm to The Shed
I was always ok with it. Would have preferred Herman or Fisher. Have always been opposed to E being the OC and still am.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:06 pm to Todd O'Connor
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how many teams can say they had a top 2 round TE, Rb and WR on the same team. And how many of them had the results on offense we had?
Moreau was a 4th rd pick
And you’re still missing the point. You want to harp on a failed OC, which has been corrected like so many coaches fail to do, but you don’t even understand the process that got to this point. And that’s ok because not many did
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:09 pm to Lester Earl
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You want to harp on a failed OC, which has been corrected like so many coaches fail to do, but you don’t even understand the process that got to this point. And that’s ok because not many did
We got more talent, I think we all understand that, but that doens't really excuse bad OC hirings.
And i give him a ton of credit for making changes, but your completely dismissing that he is 1/3 in important hires.
And ALL i am really saying is that this highlights the risk you take with a coach like O who relies on coordinators as much as he does. If he makes a bad hire, its an big issue.
Do you think JOe all of a sudden got 8 times better?
The offense is different. Painfully obviously different
E was complaining last year about only having 1 TE and 1 FB
now we don't use a FB and we still only have 1 TE.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:15 pm to The Shed
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I have to admit, I thought it was a bad hire. However, he is proving me wrong every day. And I couldn't be happier.
I'm in the same boat as you.. I think we can say now that he wasn't a "bad" hire. But it's early to say whether or not he was a good hire. 2019 was widely projected to be a great year as early as 2017. Either way I think we'll see Orgeron's ceiling this year. Even with the great start, and the electric offense, the ceiling is still very much unclear. As is the question of whether or not he can maintain this type of success or if it is a "lightning in a bottle" type situation because of Burrow.
I'm not hating on O at all.. Because I'm happy as well. I'm just saying.. The question of whether or not he was a GOOD hire is still very much valid.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:16 pm to The Shed
Still a shrimp boat captain. But our shrimp boat captain dammit.
Main thing I'm critical on O is his defensive line has not been where it needs to be. Pretty obvious even this year with the talent they have it's the weak link on the team too and he has not addressed it enough in recruiting until this recruiting cycle. LSU is going to get plowed next year in the trenches.
Don't think he's perfect gameday coach but he at least shows he'll learn from his mistakes and try to fix them. More than we can say about Miles. Not afraid to go out and get better hires.
tl;dr still too early but he has perform way better than I thought he ever would when hired
Main thing I'm critical on O is his defensive line has not been where it needs to be. Pretty obvious even this year with the talent they have it's the weak link on the team too and he has not addressed it enough in recruiting until this recruiting cycle. LSU is going to get plowed next year in the trenches.
Don't think he's perfect gameday coach but he at least shows he'll learn from his mistakes and try to fix them. More than we can say about Miles. Not afraid to go out and get better hires.
tl;dr still too early but he has perform way better than I thought he ever would when hired
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:18 pm to tgerb8
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I think we can say now that he wasn't a "bad" hire. But it's early to say whether or not he was a good hire.
Some of y'all just aren't paying attention.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:21 pm to The Shed
I was ok with the hire because he had the team supporting him, and I thought he could recruit his way to a better team. His track record as a recruiter was well established.
The pleasant surprise is that he has turned out to be an organized and efficient coach. We just don’t seem to make as many questionable moves during games as we used to. He’s turned out to be solid in all aspects.
The pleasant surprise is that he has turned out to be an organized and efficient coach. We just don’t seem to make as many questionable moves during games as we used to. He’s turned out to be solid in all aspects.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:21 pm to MountainTiger
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Some of y'all just aren't paying attention.
Why? If we lose to Auburn, Bama, A&M, and the bowl game, is that magically Ok because the offense dominated the first 6 weeks? What if next year we go back to being blah on offense without Burrow?
I don't think any of that is going to happen, and certainly don't hope for it to happen, but it's still a possibility.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:27 pm to LNCHBOX
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Why?
Because they keep saying things like that.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:36 pm to The Shed
I’m loving this season but can we ever as a fan base just wait until something is complete to fully define it? We’re half way through. Ensmingers offense still has never scored on Bama. We’ve never made the 4-team playoffs. O’s never lost less than 3 games. This is the season where hopefully some, most or all of that changes. But let’s let it all play out then make our declarations.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:37 pm to MountainTiger
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Because they keep saying things like that.
Is there a reason you didnt respond to the rest of my post?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:41 pm to Mohican
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Some here have gladly admitted they were wrong.
For frick's sake...what is it about Ed Orgeron that forces people to feel the need to constantly seek affirmation for him??
We're 6 games into this season...what exactly should we be admitting we were wrong about? For about the 100th time, I've stately I'll GLADLY hop on board and tell the man to his face that he proved me wrong, but I actually have a few hurdles that need to be overcome before that happens.
First and foremost...win the SECW. If we can't do that, than the SEC Title is off the table, and unless you're hoping for all kinds of help, so if the CFP. Miles won tons of games...and ultimately it was not enough. We expect to be competing and winning titles here now. Piling up wins, as I was told for a decade, isn't good enough and is ultimately under-performing. So, he needs to win the SECW before I come close to saying, "You know what...he is an improvement and I'm glad he's here."
He wins the SEC outright, I'm fully on board for the time being.
He wins it all, I'm on board entirely...though just like many of you guys did with Miles I'll feel the need to point out that wining a title does not make a guy great...sustained winning does. We don't want a Chizik on our hands, right?
So...there you have it. I've laid out here in detail what he'd need to do for me to say I was wrong. If he does those things and I refuse, then you can gladly point to my hypocrisy. Until then, I remain skeptical and hoping for the best and gladly ready to apologize.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:41 pm to MountainTiger
You’re arguing with a guy who has had some of the most embarrassing anti-O posts over the last 2 years. It’s just not worth it
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:48 pm to MountainTiger
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Some of y'all just aren't paying attention.
Maybe it's just semantics, but I agree with you. You judge the hire on what happened then...not how it ultimately plays out. That is, in my mind, a different question entirely.
That's more along the lines of, "Did XYZ Coach turn out to be a good coach?" That's a question I don't think you can fully answer yet either...but the data is starting to look promising.
Suggesting that you can do something terrible and if it miraculously works out, is just another way of saying the ends justify the means.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:52 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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You judge the hire on what happened then...not how it ultimately plays out.
Would expect nothing else from someone who hated the hire that ends up working out. You invent a different way every day to dance around how wrong you were
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