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re: Anybody here still think O was a bad hire?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:53 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:53 pm to Lester Earl
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You’re arguing with a guy who has had some of the most embarrassing anti-O posts over the last 2 years. It’s just not worth it
Link them. You won't, because you're a little bitch that never backs up shite that he says. Just like you ignored my request of you earlier in this thread. You're such a phony
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:55 pm to The Shed
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Anybody here still think O was a bad hire?
The rest of the SEC probably thinks he was a bad hire (for them). But anyone else would have to be an idiot to think that at this point.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:56 pm to nitwit
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By almost all objective standards at the time, it was a bad hire. Right now, that bad hire looks to have turned out to be a very good one.
Agreed.
I still think, more than most coaches, O needs to have top notch assistants because of the lack of coordinating experience. That said, he seems to finally have the offensive hire he needs and has a solid defensive staff. If he can keep making those good choices he could have continued success, much in the same way Dabo has.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:58 pm to LNCHBOX
One interesting find I came across with Lester Earl was that he didn't always hate Miles. This was a post by Lester Earl about Miles from years ago. He is actually repeating the same message with Orgeron. Will be interesting to see if his tune changes if/when we struggle like it did with Miles.
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Fans have issues with every coach in the nation, or have had issues with every coach in the nation at some point.
Looking at the BIG PICTURE, he has pushed all the right buttons up until this year. Not talking about little nit picky things like wearing his hat high or not blitzing on one play.
LSU has had the best 3 year stretch in their history. An SEC title. National Title. 3 top 5 finishes. Top recruiting classes. Top draft picks.
He's done just about everything right in the grand scheme of things.
Bashing him in the past is unfounded. To claim now that you have seen this all along or saw this coming is just a joke.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:00 pm to BeeFense5
I don’t know how many times I’ve pointed that out to you
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:00 pm to Lester Earl
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You invent a different way every day to dance around how wrong you were
I've said this exact same thing many MANY times on here... This argument about what constitutes a good hire has been had for a while now, and I've been very clear that there is no way to retroactively call this a good hire. He can go on to win 10 straight CFPs and the hire, how it happened, when it happened, etc will always remain a horrendous one. We replaced a guy who had won a NC, who himself had replaced a guy who won a NC, with a guy that had gone 10-25 in his only stint as a head coach. No one in their right fricking mind can look at that and say, "Yeah...that's who I wanted to replace Miles! After all the years of bitching, I wanted our DL coach who had helped further tank Ole Miss to take over the reigns."
But if he does that, wins a ton and some hardware, it will be looked at as a horrendous hire that miraculously worked out.
Ultimately, I want it to work out...so if it does it will no longer matter to me that the hire was terrible. It WOULD still matter to me though if we were stuck with the same AD who had made it, because it would indicate that it could happen again. Since Alleva's gone, it's water under the bridge for anything other than conversations like this one.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:02 pm to Lester Earl
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I don’t know how many times I’ve pointed that out to you
Truth
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:03 pm to Lester Earl
Wait a minute Lester, you want to get into predictions? I know your dumbass doesn’t want to go down that road
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:03 pm to The Shed
No, it seems to be a great hire, even if this team loses to Bama again. The process initiated by Alleaving was crap, however.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:06 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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happened, when it happened, etc will always remain a horrendous one. We replaced a guy who had won a NC, who himself had replaced a guy who won a NC, with a guy that had gone 10-25 in his only stint as a head coach. No one in their right fricking mind can look at that and say, "Yeah...that's who I wanted to replace Miles! After all the years of bitching, I wanted our DL coach who had helped further tank Ole Miss to take over the reigns."
It’s hard for me to Imagine anyone thinking that Orgeron could not be successful here under the same model that made Les Miles successful. But I guess that’s why you & some many others get defensive when this comes up.
Look he wasn’t even my first choice. But at least pretend that you’ve followed LSU long enough to
Understand why it’s the most unique job in all of college football when it comes to attracting players.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:10 pm to GeauxTigerTM
your signature seems to imply that you still think Orgeron was a bad hire.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:11 pm to lootershooter
O was a bad hire, period!
He may recruit top players, he may keep us in the top 10, he may even win us a couple of championships, but sooner or later, he will screw the whole program up and prove I am right.
He may recruit top players, he may keep us in the top 10, he may even win us a couple of championships, but sooner or later, he will screw the whole program up and prove I am right.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:11 pm to Solo Cam
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Wait a minute Lester, you want to get into predictions? I know your dumbass doesn’t want to go down that road
I have 16 years worth of predictions on Tigerdroppings, some are bound to miss. I own up to things that I’ve missed on, and not flip flop and try and talk my way out of them like you did on page one.
What’s funny tho is the ones you always bring up aren’t even good ones. They all lack context & the posts that follows. Which of course, is everything
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:12 pm to Lester Earl
quote:immediately followed up with
I own up to things that I’ve missed on
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They all lack context & the posts that follows. Which of course, is everything
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:16 pm to Lester Earl
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It’s hard for me to Imagine anyone thinking that Orgeron could not be successful here under the same model that made Les Miles successful
Les won two SEC championships and a NC. He hasn't been as successful as Miles, not yet. You're just jumping the gun.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:17 pm to Lester Earl
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It’s hard for me to Imagine anyone thinking that Orgeron could not be successful here under the same model that made Les Miles successful. But I guess that’s why you & some many others get defensive when this comes up.
Which model was that? Miles had been an OC before in his past stops.
I'm not defensive, I just disagree. Again, it may be just semantics, but to my mind the "hire" can only be judged by what we knew then. What we knew then was his resume, that no other programs had even brought him in as a serious candidate to be their HC even after his SC interim stint, and that we were replacing the most successful coach in our history who had replaced the guy who had rebuilt our program into what it had become. None of that, in the fall of 2016, screams, "Yup...Ed Orgeron is definitely your guy!" If it works out, GREAT! it will go down as one of the worst decisions ever that resulted in one of the greatest outcomes.
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Look he wasn’t even my first choice. But at least pretend that you’ve followed LSU long enough to
Understand why it’s the most unique job in all of college football when it comes to attracting players.
People say that, and yet they forget that they were openly worried that Nick Saban and his Big 10 coaching history was going to be unable to recruit down here. Or did you forget that? As special as we like to think we are, winning and a coach that can show recruits he's going to develop them and get them to the next level is FAR more important than if you can make a roux. Again...Nick Saban may be the furthest thing I can think of than some guy from down the bayou, and he manged to recruit pretty well here if I recall...
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:20 pm to I-59 Tiger
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your signature seems to imply that you still think Orgeron was a bad hire.
So do my words...or have you not been reading them?
I've defined this many times on here. See my post above...again.
As for the signature, I'm keeping that because I'm going to own my words. I said it, I thought it, and even if he proves me wrong I'm going to keep it and likely place a tag on it that reads, "My APOLOGIES!" or something to that effect. I hope I get to do that...
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:23 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Again...Nick Saban may be the furthest thing I can think of than some guy from down the bayou, and he manged to recruit pretty well here if I recall...
We've never been a program that had the mindset you have to be 'one of us' to be successful as a coach and in recruiting here. If anything, O is far and away a big exception in that regard.
The idea that everyone suddenly thinks our fanbase is of some hard and fast mindset otherwise is rather goofy.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:25 pm to nitwit
Except the objective standard of who the hell else was you going to hire??
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:26 pm to LNCHBOX
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Is there a reason you didnt respond to the rest of my post?
It had nothing to do with what I was talking about.
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