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re: Anybody here still think O was a bad hire?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:27 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:27 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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We've never been a program that had the mindset you have to be 'one of us' to be successful as a coach and in recruiting here. If anything, O is far and away a big exception in that regard.
Agreed...that's my point. Lester suggested that LSU is some different animal and therefore the Orgeron hire made sense.
Look...this is a bit of a diversion but it works here. I agree that there is a school of thought that maybe if you had equal candidates the local guy may be the better fit. I know from a PR standpoint it seems to make sense.
I've always been leery of that though, because I tend to see Louisiana and its politics and think that the last thing we nee is MORE local influence into the program. One of the best things about the Saban era was he and Emmert getting the BOS to back off and let them do their damn jobs. Having a local guy worries me...
But, Orgeron was not equal on paper. He wasn't CLOSE to equal. So not amount of being local should have made up for that.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:28 pm to The Shed
no. no. Les Miles had to go. 
down votes are much appreciated.
down votes are much appreciated.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Orgeron hire made sense.
It was a lazy hire. That doesn't, in and of itself, mean it "didn't make sense."
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:38 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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That doesn't, in and of itself, mean it "didn't make sense."
The fact that is was lazy (and it was) isn't why it didn't make sense. The reasons you did not copy and paste are the reasons I think i didn't make sense.
Those were the same reasons why no other program was touching him either, btw. The only thing that DID make sense, and again that's only if you think this is a positive which I don't, is that he's from here.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:40 pm to Goldrush25
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Les won two SEC championships and a NC. He hasn't been as successful as Miles, not yet. You're just jumping the gun.
And by the time he left, the standard at LSU had been tremendously diminished. Success is fluid and relative to that. As the program ascends, feel free to recalibrate.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:43 pm to Lester Earl
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You’re arguing with a guy
I'm not really arguing with him. I'm just trying to answer a question that he asked.
Lots of people keep saying something to the effect of "it was a bad hire at the time but it looks like a good hire now." And I keep replying that you can't use events that happened later to retroactively change a bad decision into a good one (or vice versa).
Here's an example: let's say a football team has the ball on their own 10 yard line, it's 4th and 15, the score is tied and it's in the 1st quarter. The team goes for it on 4th down. Is that a good decision? Most people would agree that it isn't. What if they make the 1st down? Does that make it a good decision? No, it's still a bad decision but the coach got lucky and a good outcome bailed out his poor decision.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:49 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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The reasons you did not copy and paste are the reasons I think i didn't make sense.
No, those were just the reasons it was lazy.
You may think it's semantics, but that's just how I see it. He was oddly both a lazy hire and an outside the box hire. One may ultimately be able to argue that the outside the box reason is why it was good.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:49 pm to MountainTiger
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And I keep replying that you can't use events that happened later to retroactively change a bad decision into a good one (or vice versa).
Perspective can be a funny thing sometimes, though.
One thing I've noticed is that people approaching the topic of this thread from an entrenched "camp" have a hard time conceiving of the idea that not everyone is in one. This thread certainly illustrates that.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:52 pm to Steve Janowski
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Herman 21-12
Fisher 12-7
O 31-9
You can't in good conscience compare these situations though, because LSU was in much better shape as a program than Texas or Texas A&M were at the time.
That's not to downplay the body of work that O has done at LSU at all, I just think that both Fisher and Herman would have had more success at LSU in the short term than at either Texas or Texas A&M.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:54 pm to Walnut
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because LSU was in much better shape as a program than Texas or Texas A&M were at the time.
A lot of people here seem to think this was drastically so. I don't know what they are relying on to reach that conclusion.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:55 pm to Lester Earl
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And by the time he left, the standard at LSU had been tremendously diminished. Success is fluid and relative to that. As the program ascends, feel free to recalibrate.
Well I thought we wanted a coach that would bring us to championship status, not simply someone that was better than Les Miles at the end of his tenure. The difference between what Miles was in his last 3 years or so and what the current coach has been is what, less than an extra win a year?
He may very well get to that level, but you're jumping the gun to say he's already there. He has to get the hardware.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:56 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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One thing I've noticed is that people approaching the topic of this thread from an entrenched "camp" have a hard time conceiving of the idea that not everyone is in one. This thread certainly illustrates that.
I have no problem with someone that thought it was a bad hire then and still thinks so, or someone that thought it was a good hire then and still does. I have a problem with someone that now considers it a good hire because of a good outcome.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:58 pm to The Shed
It is too early to say one way or the other. Things look much better overall compared to when he got here, but we still need to beat the gumps.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:00 pm to Goldrush25
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Well I thought we wanted a coach that would bring us to championship status, not simply someone that was better than Les Miles at the end of his tenure
Part of his success is improving the standing of the program, which he has. Which is why Ive labeled his short tenure a success. Enjoy the process. Stop trying to put the cart before the horse
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:14 pm to Steve Janowski
Perfect cut to the chase. W is all that matters and not to mention we are nationally ranked higher than Herman or Fisher.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:18 pm to The Shed
See the sig.
This year is a special year. If he can get over the hump with Bama, win the SEC and get into the playoffs, then I'll admit he was a great hire.
I'm more hopeful than years past because he is allowing the offense to flourish. But we need to win the division, conference and make playoffs. Otherwise, it's more of the same.
This year is a special year. If he can get over the hump with Bama, win the SEC and get into the playoffs, then I'll admit he was a great hire.
I'm more hopeful than years past because he is allowing the offense to flourish. But we need to win the division, conference and make playoffs. Otherwise, it's more of the same.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:19 pm to Goldrush25
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He has to get the hardware.
bingo
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:22 pm to bluewatersailor
Never thought he was. Bunch of marching band members and cubicle workers who have absolutely no idea what goes on behind the scenes were the only ones who hated the guy.
If they knew shite, they would be making a living in an AD. These people have been wrong from the start, no one should care what they think.
If Tom Herman were coaching this squad they would love the guy.
If they knew shite, they would be making a living in an AD. These people have been wrong from the start, no one should care what they think.
If Tom Herman were coaching this squad they would love the guy.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:28 pm to Mahootney
oh Jeeze Mahootney, that’s about the weakest argument I’ve ever heard of.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:35 pm to The Shed
I didn't like O's hire at the time, and thought Alleva was taking the easy way out by hiring the interim coach, as he'd done before at Duke. I'm happy to say I was wrong about O, he's genuinely learned from his time at Ole Miss, and is willing to bring in the coaches he needs to and let them do their jobs. Sometimes, the best decision is recognizing that you're not the smartest guy in the room.
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