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re: Airbnb finally trying to get owners to stop treating guests like maids
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:47 pm to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:47 pm to BottomlandBrew
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I don't think Airbnb even lists the cleaning fees anymore, do they?
They do but most people especially property managers hide them. The software can just roll it into the total.
People hate on cleaning fees, but a one time fee at check out to clean the place whether you stay for 3 nights or 30 nights is a hell of a lot smarter and more accurate than something like $25/ night.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:51 pm to baldona
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People hate on cleaning fees, but a one time fee at check out to clean the place whether you stay for 3 nights or 30 nights is a hell of a lot smarter and more accurate than something like $25/ night.
Surely you aren't really this obtuse to what people's problems were about how these were being hanlded, are you?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:54 pm to Fun Bunch
I rent mine. 2 doors down does air bnb. He has guests maybe 10 days a month during summer and is always having cleaning service come in behind them, doing his own yars work. I'll take my steady paying tenant.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 3:59 pm to fightin tigers
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Thought this was the whole point of AirBnB when it started. You knew you'd get a shittier experience but you didn't care because it was cheaper.
It’s just like the food truck model. It started as a lower cost option for quick food. Lower overhead and no property taxes etc., were supposed to keep prices down. Somewhere along the way they lost the script. Same here.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:01 pm to Fun Bunch
I'll keep my airbnb with the private hot tub, swimming pool, outdoor kitchen, big screen TV s in every room including outdoor, walk in shower. You ain't getting that at Hampton Inn 
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:03 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Surely you aren't really this obtuse to what people's problems were about how these were being hanlded, are you?
I certainly am not. But I also know that the average guest is just unrealistic to what real costs are. So like I keep saying, there's no perfect viable solution here.
Here's the ignorant statement:
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Do hosts get their AirBnB professionally cleaned after every stay? Or is it case by case? As in, if the guests we good about keeping the place neat, why hit them with a cleaning fee?
Here's my cost breakdown for a 2 bedroom condo cleaning:
$110 to the HK
$24 for amenities
$40 for sheets and towel cost
~5% for inflation (many guests book 6+ months out)
$180 is what I charge
Guests aren't washing the sheets and towels. Guests aren't mopping the floors. Guests aren't cleaning the toilets and bath tubs. Guests aren't moving furniture. Just because you threw your food away, guests aren't cleaning the counters and the fridge. Cleaning a fridge sucks.
Have you seen the cost of a professional sofa cleaning? $90 for a couch now and $220-250 for a sectional.
Most owners/ hosts put the cleaning as the cost to clean and prepare for a guest. The "rent" is for the property costs like utilities, mortgage (income), etc.
Again, I'm not here to argue. I'm suggesting there's a problem without a good solution.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:05 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Correct - they are still there but don’t show them. Airbnb used to take their 15% on just the accommodation fare, but now they take it from the rate and the cleaning fee.
A good clean takes a lot longer than people realize. Our housekeepers are paid as employees and they average about $30 an hour. Then we have the linens and towels professionally laundered and that adds up. Then there are the consumables such as tp, soaps, trash bags, etc.
Everything has to be done and a QC check from maintenance by 3pm. I would say 25% leave the place a disaster, 50% fine and 25% spotless.
These new rules take alot of protection away from hosts. You can’t ask for IDs anymore, can’t fine them for breaking rules, etc. Parties will increase heavily.
A good clean takes a lot longer than people realize. Our housekeepers are paid as employees and they average about $30 an hour. Then we have the linens and towels professionally laundered and that adds up. Then there are the consumables such as tp, soaps, trash bags, etc.
Everything has to be done and a QC check from maintenance by 3pm. I would say 25% leave the place a disaster, 50% fine and 25% spotless.
These new rules take alot of protection away from hosts. You can’t ask for IDs anymore, can’t fine them for breaking rules, etc. Parties will increase heavily.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:06 pm to fightin tigers
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Thought this was the whole point of AirBnB when it started. You knew you'd get a shittier experience but you didn't care because it was cheaper.
It stopped being cheaper a while ago and the renters started getting insane w/automatic large cleaning fees even though they were still demanding you clean the place up.
Making somebody do the dishes, laundry, take out trash etc and then STILL hitting them up for a big arse "cleaning" charge ruined it all.
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:14 pm to Fun Bunch
Te worst part has been when the AirBnb expects you to do a full cleaning and will charge you for any tiny thing. Even though you already paid a cleaning deposit.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:15 pm to baldona
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I certainly am not.
Then explain the purpose of the comment I quoted because nobody had a problem with the cleaning charge being calculated on a per night basis or a single total.
quote:
Here's the ignorant statement:
quote:
Do hosts get their AirBnB professionally cleaned after every stay? Or is it case by case? As in, if the guests we good about keeping the place neat, why hit them with a cleaning fee?
In what world is a question a statement? That person is asking a legitimate question and if you think every airbnb that charged cleaning fees was getting their property professionally cleaned after every stay, you are more ignorant on the matter than I originally thought.
quote:
Here's my cost breakdown for a 2 bedroom condo cleaning:
$110 to the HK
$24 for amenities
$40 for sheets and towel cost
~5% for inflation (many guests book 6+ months out)
$180 is what I charge
Guests aren't washing the sheets and towels. Guests aren't mopping the floors. Guests aren't cleaning the toilets and bath tubs. Guests aren't moving furniture. Just because you threw your food away, guests aren't cleaning the counters and the fridge. Cleaning a fridge sucks.
Have you seen the cost of a professional sofa cleaning? $90 for a couch now and $220-250 for a sectional.
Most owners/ hosts put the cleaning as the cost to clean and prepare for a guest. The "rent" is for the property costs like utilities, mortgage (income), etc.
You'll notice that nobody has said that owner's can't or shouldn't charge cleaning fees. That has not ever been the actual issue.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:16 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't mind piling up my dirty towels in the washer, or washing dishes after myself, but I'm not cleaning, that's what a cleaning fee is for.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:18 pm to jsquardjj
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A good clean takes a lot longer than people realize. Our housekeepers are paid as employees and they average about $30 an hour. Then we have the linens and towels professionally laundered and that adds up. Then there are the consumables such as tp, soaps, trash bags, etc.
Everything has to be done and a QC check from maintenance by 3pm. I would say 25% leave the place a disaster, 50% fine and 25% spotless.
And nobody is saying you can't have a cleaning fee
The whole point is having absurdly high cleaning fees while also requiring your guests to do the work that is and should be covered by the cleaning fee. That's the point.
ETA: And potentially fining the guests for not doing the chores that many times they would not know about until after booking.
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:23 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I think you may be arguing with yourself. I understand no one said a cleaning fee can’t be charged.
A lot of times the same people who don’t want to take out the trash, are the same ones who are asking for a noon checkin and don’t understand the time needed to prepare the home.
Educating people on what goes into a cleaning and how the new Airbnb policies may end up being hurtful to neighborhoods and the industry as a whole. The new policies go a lot further than just not allowing hosts to make guests take out trash.
A lot of times the same people who don’t want to take out the trash, are the same ones who are asking for a noon checkin and don’t understand the time needed to prepare the home.
Educating people on what goes into a cleaning and how the new Airbnb policies may end up being hurtful to neighborhoods and the industry as a whole. The new policies go a lot further than just not allowing hosts to make guests take out trash.
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:27 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Do people seriously leave massive amounts of dirty dishes in the sink of AirBnB’s?
I get leaving a cup next to the sink or some tissue in the bathroom trash can, but is it seriously an issue with people leaving full trash cans and completely filthy kitchens?
Parents have a beach house. They had these people that looked like they got in a spaghetti fight with noodles stuck on the ceiling.
This is why I don't really shite on these land lords with their rentals. People frick your shite up, raising your cost to operate.
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:33 pm to jsquardjj
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I think you may be arguing with yourself.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:35 pm to jsquardjj
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You can’t ask for IDs anymore
This seems like a bad idea. I wonder what the reasoning is behind that? Even hotels require an ID.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:38 pm to BottomlandBrew
I'd assume since most of the time, hosts aren't physically there to meet people, this is to keep hosts from asking for pictures of people's IDs and stuff. Which, from AirBnB's perspective, is a massive liability risk.
That's the only reason I could think of that being a policy.
That's the only reason I could think of that being a policy.
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:39 pm to baldona
quote:
Here's the ignorant statement:
It's also ignorant to call a series of questions a statement. Just trying to get a handle on the thought process.
quote:
Here's my cost breakdown for a 2 bedroom condo cleaning:
$110 to the HK
$24 for amenities
$40 for sheets and towel cost
~5% for inflation (many guests book 6+ months out)
$180 is what I charge
Guests aren't washing the sheets and towels. Guests aren't mopping the floors. Guests aren't cleaning the toilets and bath tubs. Guests aren't moving furniture. Just because you threw your food away, guests aren't cleaning the counters and the fridge. Cleaning a fridge sucks.
Have you seen the cost of a professional sofa cleaning? $90 for a couch now and $220-250 for a sectional.
Most owners/ hosts put the cleaning as the cost to clean and prepare for a guest. The "rent" is for the property costs like utilities, mortgage (income), etc.
Again, I'm not here to argue. I'm suggesting there's a problem without a good solution.
So, in an attempt to answer the questions asked directly:
1. I assume this means you get it cleaned after ever stay.
2. See answer to question 1.
3. I assume this means it doesn't matter, you do it after every stay.
so what I think the real issue is it may not be a sustainable model. You dont' have the volume a hotel does to handle cleaning at scale but you want hotel level clean for every guest so you have to hit every stay with it. I can follow what you're saying, but I am not surprised guests are turning sour on AirBnBs.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:50 pm to Bourbon Bebe
quote:I make sure to wag my dick at them a couple of times during the stay.
When I started seeing cameras
Posted on 10/21/26 at 4:52 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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AirBnB is worth it if you need a full kitchen and/or washer and dryer.
And in some cases even those are not as advertised
I left a guy a poor review because his kitchen was not equipped at all and he kept messaging me asking what he could do to get a 5 star review. Provide 5 star service you retard.
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