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After listening to Coach Stingley on OTB...
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:18 am
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:18 am
I’m now finally caving to the idea of an expanded college playoff system. Coach Stingley said that if LSU were in contention for a playoff spot then no one would opt out at this point of the season including Marshall.
If this is the new precedent set for the future, perhaps the only thing college football can do is expand to 16 team playoff format to keep more players engaged through the season. I always opposed this expansion bc I didn’t like the idea of rematches that make the regular season big games less relevant, and I still have ptsd from 1/9. However, CFB needs to fight back against this wave of negative outcomes somehow.
In most seasons, LSU would be in contention all the way through November 30th for a spot if 16 spots available.
If this is the new precedent set for the future, perhaps the only thing college football can do is expand to 16 team playoff format to keep more players engaged through the season. I always opposed this expansion bc I didn’t like the idea of rematches that make the regular season big games less relevant, and I still have ptsd from 1/9. However, CFB needs to fight back against this wave of negative outcomes somehow.
In most seasons, LSU would be in contention all the way through November 30th for a spot if 16 spots available.
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:25 am to champj3
Right because there’s nothing I want to see more than a three loss UNC team with a shot at a championship. Screw that.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:25 am to champj3
Very interesting and a good point. They watered down bowl games so much by having 1000 different bowls and every 6-6 non P5 makes one, that no one cares about bowl games anymore. So the only thing is really the playoff and with only 4 teams making it, most teams are eliminated from contention fairly early on.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:28 am to champj3
So Coach Stingley is admitting that the players are quitting.
As an NFL exec I would factor that in when deciding who to draft knowing that some guys have shown that they will quit when the team starts losing.
As an NFL exec I would factor that in when deciding who to draft knowing that some guys have shown that they will quit when the team starts losing.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:29 am to champj3
I'm not a fan of expanding playoffs.
We already have a hard enough time finding a worthy 4th seed that never seems to matter.
However, I am willing to listen to these types of thoughts.
We already have a hard enough time finding a worthy 4th seed that never seems to matter.
However, I am willing to listen to these types of thoughts.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:42 am to Choupique19
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As an NFL exec I would factor that in when deciding who to draft knowing that some guys have shown that they will quit when the team starts losing.
I don’t like the “opt-outs” either, but I don’t think NFL GM’s really care, as long as the player is in football shape. The difference in the NFL is that a player is under contract, and has a lot more to lose if they decide not to play. Even still, it’s not uncommon to have holdouts, trade demands, etc.
The NFL will put up with a lot of shite as long as you can play.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:51 am to PillPusher
In most years a 3 loss UNC would not be in contention for a 16team field when you include all next five champions. So your point is not valid.
Your 6 at large teams would probably be the 5 losers of the conference championships in power 5 or maybe a one loss non participant in power 5 conference championship.
Your 6 at large teams would probably be the 5 losers of the conference championships in power 5 or maybe a one loss non participant in power 5 conference championship.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:52 am to lostinbr
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The NFL will put up with a lot of shite as long as you can play.
But these kids aren’t playing. They quit when going gets tough.
The question of the day is:
What will cost the player more money, missing three weeks of running around cones to get ready for the combine, or having your draft stock fall because you quit on your team?
If a player just tumbles 5 of 6 slots that could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. Is that worse than running the shuttle run at 3.98 instead of 3.93?
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:55 am to champj3
Yeah, let's cater to this generation more than we already do
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:58 am to Choupique19
NFL is a business. No player has been negatively affected in the draft because he sat out a bowl game or even a season (Bosa). You’ll see Chase go top 10 this year who hasn’t played in a year. If a player doesn’t want to compete in November because he thinks his season is over then let him. But as a coach it’s your job to keep the season relevant so that doesn’t happen.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:08 am to champj3
Yea, let's blow up the whole system to cater to single digits of players.
We don't even know if this will be a trend post-Covid.
We don't even know if this will be a trend post-Covid.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:08 am to champj3
Opt out needs to changed to I quit on my team
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:11 am to beauchristopher
quote:
I'm not a fan of expanding playoffs.
We already have a hard enough time finding a worthy 4th seed that never seems to matter.
However, I am willing to listen to these types of thoughts.
The NFL (all but 2020) has 12 teams (37.5% of the league) make the playoffs and football fans love the playoffs. 20% of NCAA basketball teams make the "playoffs" and it is probably the most exciting tournament in sports. Roughly 3% of D1 football teams make the playoffs and somehow slighting adding to that number is too much?
(In years were the country doesn't kneecap itself over ridiculous "panicdemics) the college football regular season is the most meaningful in sports...only to be followed by the most meaningless postseason by and large. Bowl games are glorified exhibiting games played over a month after the season ends. There is a way to keep the regular season meaningful while also making the postseason better.
I'm not saying expand the playoffs to 16 teams, but 6 or 8 would be a good number. Coach Stingley is right. When you are essentially eliminated from playoff contention with 1 or 2 losses early on, it decreases the incentive to keep playing. An 8 team playoff would only add one more game for the "best" teams. A 6 team playoff would, conceivably, add no more games than the current system for the two best teams. But, it would keep many more fanbases interested in the season, longer, if hope remained alive for a playoff berth. Now the one caveat is that if the playoffs are expanded I would be in favor of eliminating the conference championship games. There should never be a situation like with 2017 Auburn where the championship game knocks you OUT of the playoffs in favor of a team you just beat...and who didn't have to put their record on the line in an extra game.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:17 am to Choupique19
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having your draft stock fall because you quit on your team?
Y’all put way to much weight on this. NFL teams don’t care if you are good. No GM is passing on a guy in the 1st or 2nd round who checks all the boxes but didn’t play the last two games of the year.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:19 am to Choupique19
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As an NFL exec I would factor that in when deciding who to draft knowing that some guys have shown that they will quit when the team starts losing.
You wouldn’t be an exec very long
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:26 am to champj3
Not a bad idea. 
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:32 am to PillPusher
quote:Well, just to give some feedback on this:
Right because there’s nothing I want to see more than a three loss UNC team with a shot at a championship. Screw that.
1) you might not want to see that, but UNC fans sure would
2) They'd likely be a 1-16 first rd matchup (with Bama), so most times it's basically a bye for the top seed
3) if by chance the upset occurs, there's still a few more rds to get through, so the underdogs will likely be weeded out
4) If someone makes it through 4 rds of play, they're as worthy as anyone.
Go back and consider the 2001 LSU team that won the Sugar. 8-3 regular season, might have made the cut for this type of playoff. I guarantee nobody wanted any piece of that team in the postseason. Not saying they would beat Miami, but it wouldn't have been a game you just ignore and write the Hurricanes into the next round.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:42 am to champj3
The OP has some merit to his thoughts.
College Football is undergoing an upheaval with these opt-outs, thoughts that they we may see more in the future, and with allowing players to profit off their celebrity.
Those in control of the game better get out in front of all of this and come up with some solutions that are a win for the game and the athlete. And, they better do it quickly.
College Football is undergoing an upheaval with these opt-outs, thoughts that they we may see more in the future, and with allowing players to profit off their celebrity.
Those in control of the game better get out in front of all of this and come up with some solutions that are a win for the game and the athlete. And, they better do it quickly.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:47 am to champj3
Even in an expanded playoff we wouldn’t be in contention, so what’s the point of that?
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:49 am to Choupique19
quote:Do you watch the combine? Each year you have certain players who draft rankings skyrocket up because they put up great numbers at the combine. I've yet to see a player have their draft rankings make that kind of jump by playing the last couple games of the season. Especially someone who is in a similar position to Marshall. There is plenty of tape on him available already. Teams know what he can and can't do on the field against top talent. Playing an extra two games doesn't do much for him. Training for an extra month and improving his 40 time by .05 seconds would do him wonders.
What will cost the player more money, missing three weeks of running around cones to get ready for the combine, or having your draft stock fall because you quit on your team?
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