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re: After listening to Coach Stingley on OTB...
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:36 am to champj3
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:36 am to champj3
Will never be 16. 8 would be fine. I have always advocated for P5 Conference Champs getting an automatic bid plus three at-large bids but I have changed my mind on that because I would hate to see deserving SEC teams like an LSU or UGA left out because of a much inferior OU or USC team getting an automatic bid.
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:44 am to champj3
If they expand the playoff I will no longer watch CFB. What makes CFB so great is that every game matters. Expanding the playoff will take that away and we’ll be having 3 loss national champs.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:24 am to jbird7
8 team playoff has always been and still is the right answer.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:41 am to KD Burner Account
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Tyrann Mathieu fell to the third round after being dismissed from LSU and missing a year. And his last year was one of the best ever for a defensive player in CFB.
Tyrann Mathieu was a 5’-8” cornerback who ran a 4.50 at the combine, got kicked off of his team for failing drug tests, and got arrested for possession of marijuana AFTER going through a rehab program.
Comparing this to a guy with first-round measurable who makes his own decision to sit out is asinine.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:54 am to champj3
You could make it a 64 team format. We’re still not going to be in it
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:59 am to lostinbr
Marshall's hands, route running and big body and game history get him drafted late first or early second. I do not see great top end speed and he has been injury prone so I believe he made the proper decision for this season and am not going to sit around bashing him during this ultimate shite storm of a season. Ultimately this season is on the coaches who were not remotely capable of having this team ready to play most weeks.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:14 pm to champj3
Players wouldn’t be as quick to quit on their team if they had to pay back any scholarship money they took if they don't finish out 3 yrs minimum.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:21 pm to champj3
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Coach Stingley said that if LSU were in contention for a playoff spot then no one would opt out at this point of the season including Marshall.
That's their own fault for sucking all damn season. No shite no one would opt out when there is something to play for. Like saying water is wet.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:27 pm to Choupique19
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So Coach Stingley is admitting that the players are quitting.
As an NFL exec I would factor that in when deciding who to draft knowing that some guys have shown that they will quit when the team starts losing.
Well here is what I think a journalist should do.
1). Go look at all the guys after the 2019 season and look at their projected draft ranking before the 2020 season.
2) Then get a list of all the opt outs
a) Opt outs who chose to sit out the entire 2020 season
b) Opt outs like the 2 DB's from South Carolina,
Marshall from LSU, etc.
3) See how they are ranked at the NFL combine and what
the NFL thinks of the opt outs.
4) And this will be what is the definitive answer on the
opt out situation. Where did the Opt outs get drafted
in light of their pre- Opt out grades vs. final
grades?
In light of 4, if the NFL drafts the Opt out players, regardless of when they opted out, before season, during the season, in basically the same position they were ranked pre opt out then strictly from an economics perspective, their was not consequence of opting out.
If then therefore there are no economic consequences for opting out related to NFL draft position, then this will happen more and more in the future and be the reality of college football.
People can say what they want, get their emotions and feelings hurt about it but ultimately it is not my life or decision to opt out or not opt out, or anybody else who posts here. We are fans, and we choose to be fans but as I get older, I am a fan but I no longer let it impact my emotions.
In summary, if there is no economic consequences of opting out, regardless of when a player opted out, then there are no economic disincentives going forward for players to do this in future. What started with MaCaffrey and Fournette opting out for bowl games or Bosa getting hurt and having the ability to come back and play for Ohio State before the season ended, he chose to opt out and not rehab to come back to play for Ohio State, rather for the NFL draft, in my view will be the wave of the future and only become more commonplace.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:46 pm to PillPusher
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Right because there’s nothing I want to see more than a three loss UNC team with a shot at a championship. Screw that.
Why Not? would you rather watch a three loss UNC team play in the Belk bowl?
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:52 pm to waiting4saturday
Would likely not UNC either way, but a blowout game like that isn’t going to sustain viewers.
I’m surprised by the amount of people in favor of such an expanded playoff. I use to be in record of 6 teams, but I’m perfectly fine with 4.
I’m surprised by the amount of people in favor of such an expanded playoff. I use to be in record of 6 teams, but I’m perfectly fine with 4.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 1:00 pm to beauchristopher
Make it 8, we already have blowouts - actually looking back at the pervious scores, 1/2 the semifinal games have been blowouts.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 1:27 pm to PillPusher
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Right because there’s nothing I want to see more than a three loss UNC team with a shot at a championship. Screw that.
1986 LSU basketball says hold my beer. 11 losses and got in the tourney, then made it to the Final Four. 9-9 conference record. So yes, a 3 loss UNC team could make it into the playoff. On the other hand, so could a 3 loss LSU. So I'm not sure I see your point.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 1:28 pm to Philzilla2k
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You wouldn’t be an exec very long
Or maybe he would be. Let’s not pretend there aren’t incredible talents every single year that don’t pan out. Your job isn’t to accumulate talent, it to build a team.
The whole opt out thing is a clear indication of a me first attitude. I don’t think it precludes you from being a great player and every situation is different. But despite the rationalization, there is no other way to look at it that a selfish act.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 1:35 pm to logjamming
quote:Honestly, yes.
So the answer isn’t for LSU (or any other team dealing with players quitting) to get better. It’s to change the rules to allow a large number of above average programs to “compete” for a championship.
I grew up watching bowl games, and I loved them. Sugar was the SEC champ, Orange was the Big 8 champ, Rose was the Big 10 and Pac 10, Cotton was the SWC. You'd plug in whoever you could from what was left, with teams like Miami, Notre Dame and Fla State being wildcards (could play anywhere except the Rose), made for some memorable matchups.
They don't mean shite anymore. For awhile, you could get by with "just" the BCS matching the top 2, the rest would still be moderately compelling. The expanded playoff format killed that. Now, if you're hoping to be elite and make "just" a NY6 bowl, half the team doesn't care (look at UGA in the Sugar a couple years ago). LSU got up for the Fiesta, because they WEREN'T elite and wanted to win. Some guys still left because it didn't mean much.
If you're going to do a playoff (and we can't back out now), you may as well kill the bowls entirely, except for simple exhibitions for smaller programs, and go ahead with an expanded format playoff. It's not a participation trophy; being #16 means you have to play #1 in the first round. If you can take Alabama or Clemson out in rd 1, then you're pretty darn good; and if you can then run through say, Oklahoma, then Georgia, then Ohio State afterwards, you've fricking earned it.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:05 pm to Choupique19
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But these kids aren’t playing. They quit when going gets tough.
I don't view it this way. I view it as they are protecting themselves and their future earning potential if they are inline to be drafted as a potential first round pick.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:08 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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I've yet to see a player have their draft rankings make that kind of jump by playing the last couple games of the season
Jamarcus Russell would not have gone #1 without shredding Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:10 pm to Dizz
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Mathieu while amazing at LSU was seen as undersized for the NFL and was always projected as a 2-3 round pick.
He would have been a first round pick without the off the field issues, early second round at the absolute worst
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:13 pm to Philzilla2k
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You wouldn’t be an exec very long
If they'd all do this you wouldn't be worrying about opting out, quitting, etc
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:18 pm to Choupique19
No. Pros are being paid to perform and must continue to perform to attain and maintain their highest market value possible. College in any regard is to prepare you for a career - including NFL. When you are already draft worthy and marketable why would you risk your future on an career ending injury ? To please the rantards? When college players start getting paid based on the income the program generates then maybe...and don't throw out that free education crap. These players have to spend their time doing the job of football player they are not getting a quality education in most cases. Even if they were they are still severely undercompensated based on revenue they create.
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