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re: After listening to Coach Stingley on OTB...

Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:49 am to
Posted by cenlaconvertedsouth
Member since May 2020
281 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:49 am to
Watching Sam Howell against anyone is enjoyable to a football fan!
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61747 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:54 am to
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I've yet to see a player have their draft rankings make that kind of jump by playing the last couple games of the season.


There is a long list of guys who played great in the last game or two of the season and rocketed up the draft boards. Many people credit Jamarcus Russell's Sugar Bowl against Notre Dame as pushing him to the top of the draft.

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Playing an extra two games doesn't do much for him.


LSU has 3 games left.

And the very next game would give Marshall the chance to go up against a first round cornerback and show what he can do against NFL caliber corners.

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Training for an extra month and improving his 40 time by .05 seconds would do him wonders.



Jefferson finished playing on Jan 13 last year and then went to the combine and blew people's expectations on his 40 yard time. Guess he didn't need to quit on his team at the end of November.
Posted by Toretto
LA
Member since Aug 2020
30 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:02 am to
Hope this isn’t a ‘devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know’ situations with the BCS. A teams playoff hopes can be shattered in September so they lose interest and don’t play 100% in fear of injury or to maybe get another shot next year. That’s infectious.

Expanding the playoffs may soften the blow a little, maybe not.
Maybe a full top 10 playoff where the bottom teams of the top 10 are treated as ‘wild card’ games to give a G5 David a chance to beat Goliath.
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
3672 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:04 am to
pass something saying early opt outs pay back school cost.

Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
10429 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:06 am to
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Many people credit Jamarcus Russell's Sugar Bowl against Notre Dame as pushing him to the top of the draft.
Suger Bowl win(Major bowl game during a time where there was not a precedent for opting out) against top team with talent all around him doesn't equal regular season games in a season that has an asterisk next to it with nobody to throw the ball to him...
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And the very next game would give Marshall the chance to go up against a first round cornerback and show what he can do against NFL caliber corners.

Right, because he didn't do that all last year? And as I just said, what is he going to showcase if nobody can throw him the ball? His numbers have plummeted since Myles got hurt.
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Jefferson finished playing on Jan 13 last year and then went to the combine and blew people's expectations on his 40 yard time. Guess he didn't need to quit on his team at the end of November.
Jefferson played on the 13th because he was playing for a national championship and had the GOAT college QB throwing to him. Marshall is in a situation that could easily be described as the exact opposite of that
Posted by GeauxO19
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2020
718 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:09 am to
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But as a coach it’s your job to keep the season relevant so that doesn’t happen.



THIS. I don't really blame marshall. The dude is a 1st round talent who's proved he can be a true WR1. This is on O for not being able to give him a good enough reason to stay. I don't think I've heard "one team one heartbeat" since before the natty.
Posted by RussellSheppardsPie
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2018
2001 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:10 am to
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4th seed that never seems to matter.


Theres always OU with their automatic 1 and done bid to rely on though.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9292 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:15 am to
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The question of the day is:

What will cost the player more money, missing three weeks of running around cones to get ready for the combine, or having your draft stock fall because you quit on your team?

If a player just tumbles 5 of 6 slots that could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. Is that worse than running the shuttle run at 3.98 instead of 3.93?

I think you’re missing the point of my post. The question to ask is not whether the loss of draft stock from quitting is worth the extra combine training. The real question is whether these kids will lose any draft stock for quitting at all.

Until the NFL starts seeing these guys turn into “problem” players, I would argue the answer is no.

I don’t like the trend either, but the reality is that there’s no evidence that the NFL cares if a kid quit on their college team.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61747 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:21 am to
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And as I just said, what is he going to showcase if nobody can throw him the ball? His numbers have plummeted since Myles got hurt


checks stats from last game

Marshall - 10 catches, 134 yards, 1 TD

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Jefferson played on the 13th because he was playing for a national championship and had the GOAT college QB throwing to him. Marshall is in a situation that could easily be described as the exact opposite of that


Great philosphy to live by and teach your children:

"Okay son, when you are in a good situation, give your all. But as soon as things look bad, run away and quit."
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38119 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:27 am to
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As an NFL exec I would factor that in when deciding who to draft knowing that some guys have shown that they will quit when the team starts losing.


They are paid really well to play in the NFL
Posted by KD Burner Account
Out of Bounds
Member since May 2019
1452 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:33 am to
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Y’all put way to much weight on this. NFL teams don’t care if you are good. No GM is passing on a guy in the 1st or 2nd round who checks all the boxes but didn’t play the last two games of the year.



Tyrann Mathieu fell to the third round after being dismissed from LSU and missing a year. And his last year was one of the best ever for a defensive player in CFB.
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
16408 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:37 am to
So in essence his son could Opt out mid season next year with his blessing. This is the new Normal
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14835 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:42 am to
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I'm not a fan of expanding playoffs.

We already have a hard enough time finding a worthy 4th seed that never seems to matter.



A 4-team playoff is retarded when you have 5 major conferences. The fact that you could have 5 undefeated teams vying for 4 spots is reason enough to expand the playoff to 8. Much better to have a round of games involving a couple teams that may not belong than to have teams that do belong left out.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61747 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:45 am to
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They are paid really well to play in the NFL


Yes they are, and many times the NFL team's waste money throwing it at guys who are happy to get that pay check and then shut it down. How many guys have had great years, got a great contract as a reward, and then never had a good year again. It happens all the time.

As an NFL exec, I would think watching these kids quit on their college teams would be a good indicator of who will quit on their NFL team as soon as they get their big contract.
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
10429 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:45 am to
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checks stats from last game
First three games with Myles:
424 yds
7 TD
23.4 YPC

Last four games without Myles:
307 yds
3 TD
10.8 YPC

Huge drop off.
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Great philosphy to live by and teach your children:

"Okay son, when you are in a good situation, give your all. But as soon as things look bad, run away and quit."
College Football at LSU isn't a game. It's a business. Playing at LSU is like a job. Personally, when my job is great and I'm getting great returns I stay. When my job starts to suck I look for another one. You don't owe anything to your job. You owe everything to your family. And right now Marshall is making the best decision for his family. He can never play another down for LSU and has the ability to set his family up for life. He is taking the safe play and cashing out while he is up. I will never fault a man for making a decision to do that.

And if my kids learns that one of their major priorities in life is to put their family first and take care of them, then that is something I can hang my hat on at the end of the day.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 9:47 am
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
14721 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:59 am to
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Tyrann Mathieu fell to the third round after being dismissed from LSU and missing a year.


You really think a guy getting dismissed from the team for having a serious drug problem is the same thing as a player sitting the last three games of the season that do not involve playing for a championship?

Mathieu while amazing at LSU was seen as undersized for the NFL and was always projected as a 2-3 round pick.

The NFL looks the other way on guys who beat their wives, get caught with drugs, drive drunk, etc. Do you think GM's really care about a player sitting out a couple of college games?
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
7823 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:00 am to
So the answer isn’t for LSU (or any other team dealing with players quitting) to get better. It’s to change the rules to allow a large number of above average programs to “compete” for a championship.

Posted by LSUVAFAN
Stephens City, VA
Member since Jan 2007
959 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:21 am to
I’m in favor for a 8 team playoff system.
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:28 am to
Or, when someone gives you a microphone and the platform to comment on players opting out, the people with the platform can call them quitters and stop coddling them by saying they 'opted out'. I don't know, maybe the cold water of reality would help the issue.
Posted by ChuckM
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2006
1645 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:30 am to
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shown that they will quit when the team starts losing.


That’s pretty evident today with most NFL players.
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