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re: A closer look at Etling's 2nd half
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:21 am to kensnippy
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:21 am to kensnippy
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If the throw had been any longer it would have been out of the end-zone. The ball was slightly late, but Dupre was out of position.
lolno. The ball was intercepted right in the front part of the endzone.
Look, I'm not happy with Dupre either, but that was all Etling. Dupre's job was to beat the defender and he did. Etling should have put that ball in front of him. You can't really expect Dupre to come up over the defender's back to get the ball. He practically hit the defender right in the numbers.
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:26 am to SabiDojo
you can expect him to at least try to break up the pass, hell a pass int is better than the int.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:29 am to HamBone14
So you want to take any blame away from Etling on those throws?
Horribly underthrown and entirely on Etling.
It wasn't slight, and while catchable for a 6'4 WR, expecting a RB to make a circus catch there is unreasonable. Again on Etling.
Not a well placed ball, but a good play by the defenders.
Not the only one, but keep up the good work.
Telegraphed and needed to pump fake the defender there.
Overall, Etling was mediocre. It's okay to realize that 1 good quarter shows promise, but is literally 1 quarter.
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1. Jump ball to Dupre that was intercepted - was under thrown but Dupre didn't get position and made no effort to contest it.
Horribly underthrown and entirely on Etling.
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2. *Slightly* overthrown ball to Guice when he couldn't really step into the throw. Guice should have had it.
It wasn't slight, and while catchable for a 6'4 WR, expecting a RB to make a circus catch there is unreasonable. Again on Etling.
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3. 1-on-1 to Dupre. Malachi had position, defender played it well but Dupree should have caught it.
Not a well placed ball, but a good play by the defenders.
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4. Pass to JD Moore on a FB bust out. Rushed it. Flat out overthrew it, and this was the only errant throw he had.
Not the only one, but keep up the good work.
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5. Backside roll out screen the defense read well that was batted down.
Telegraphed and needed to pump fake the defender there.
Overall, Etling was mediocre. It's okay to realize that 1 good quarter shows promise, but is literally 1 quarter.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:29 am to nycajun
Exactly! I'll comment on another item which always seems to bite us....Etling was NOT forced to blow any T/O's due to the wrong play/personnel/play clock...confusion...and he is the 2d string qb! I never noticed him looking to the sidelines for help, etc.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:30 am to Geauxgurt
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Overall, Etling was mediocre. It's okay to realize that 1 good quarter shows promise, but is literally 1 quarter.
Agreed.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:40 am to Geauxgurt
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*Slightly* overthrown ball to Guice when he couldn't really step into the throw. Guice should have had it
Guice barely got a hand on the ball by lunging.
Guice was wide open, Etling missed him costing us a long game.
A slightly underthrown ball would have been caught, but not a slightly overthrown ball. Overall poor throw, and not a good one.
Contrast it with the perfect throw to Smith.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:42 am to SabiDojo
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Dupre's job was to beat the defender and he did. Etling should have put that ball in front of him. You can't really expect Dupre to come up over the defender's back to get the ball
His job is to not just beat the DB with the route but continue the route through the ball. He played that ball lazy and was beaten by the DB at the end. Etling did underthrow the ball but Dupre should win that 1v1 match-up. It was an excellent decision and with better effort and a better toss we score there.
You can guarantee that Craig is letting everyone know in the WR room that they have to come down with that ball.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:53 am to SabiDojo
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Look, I'm not happy with Dupre either, but that was all Etling
20% Etling
80% Dupre
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You can't really expect Dupre to come up over the defender's back to get the ball
The problem is he should have never been behind the defender in the first place. Yes the ball was under thrown. Dupre was in front of the defender when it was thrown, but kept running so he could catch the ball waist high for some stupid reason. Slow down, keep the defender behind you, and jump and catch the ball at it's highest point. Dupre's highest point is a lot higher than the DB's. That's how a good wr would have reacted to that throw, and likely would have made the catch.
It would have been nice if Etling led him better and it was an easy TD, but i would expect our 6'5" receiver to make the catch in a 1 on 1 situation 50 yards down the field on a throw in his vicinity. But you actually have to jump for it to be a jump ball.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:54 am to HamBone14
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4. Pass to JD Moore on a FB bust out. Rushed it. Flat out overthrew it, and this was the only errant throw he had.
I'm going to admit that I had to do a double take when the ball was thrown because it was very Brandon Harris like. I wanted to make sure it was #16 in the game and not #6.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:56 am to Geauxgurt
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Horribly underthrown and entirely on Etling.
horribly is strong. Gimme a break.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:58 am to SabiDojo
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Look, I'm not happy with Dupre either, but that was all Etling.
How many times do you see other SEC receivers adjusting to underthrown balls on long routes? That's right, every week, and receivers with less talent and size than Dupre come down with worse thrown balls. I'm sorry, but as much as that throw isn't perfect, Dupre has got to step up and adjust to the ball.
If you look at the film, he had plenty of time and room to get into a better position to jump for the ball on the goal line. However, he keeps running and basically tries to fall and catch running almost full speed. Any other SEC receiver has a better chance at that ball than the DB in the least, let alone another 5-star WR.
In fact, if Dupre slows down by just half a step more, he can catch it above the DB and the DB has absolutely no chance at it. The catch the DB made was still a difficult catch at the peak of his jump, where he gets just as tall as Dupree is on that catch.
Every thrown ball is not perfect, ESPECIALLY in college, but receivers still catch those balls. Dupre should not need a perfect pass, he just wants one.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:00 pm to HamBone14
Your right
Let's go with BH.
You people are nuts
Let's go with BH.
You people are nuts
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:00 pm to HamBone14
It's called getting the reps folks. Anyone want to argue that BH has been getting 90% of the practice reps with the first team? For that we've got a game ending INT and a lob into double (nearly triple) coverage deep in our end of the field that could have turned the tide against us in this game.
You guys want to nit-pick DE's throws in the second half of a game he got thrown into with minimal prep and immediately changed the tone??? He took a bit of a chance throwing to the end zone on third down to one of our future NFL stars and that's what you want to bitch about??? DE needs a week of intensive prep getting comfortable throwing the ball to the stars. It's probably not easy adjusting to the game speed of these guys on the fly. I love Les, but knowing how we typically handle this situation, not sure it's going to happen.
DE may not have looked like the second coming of Aaron Rodgers in the 2nd half, but he gives our offense a chance to work as designed and to hopefully give LF and Guice a crack of daylight once in awhile.
You may recall we had a bit of success with a couple of guys named Matt Mauck and Matt Flynn back there??? We need someone who can figure out where the ball needs to go and put it there with some semblance of accuracy. I'd love the see BH be that guy, but I'm not seeing it.
You guys want to nit-pick DE's throws in the second half of a game he got thrown into with minimal prep and immediately changed the tone??? He took a bit of a chance throwing to the end zone on third down to one of our future NFL stars and that's what you want to bitch about??? DE needs a week of intensive prep getting comfortable throwing the ball to the stars. It's probably not easy adjusting to the game speed of these guys on the fly. I love Les, but knowing how we typically handle this situation, not sure it's going to happen.
DE may not have looked like the second coming of Aaron Rodgers in the 2nd half, but he gives our offense a chance to work as designed and to hopefully give LF and Guice a crack of daylight once in awhile.
You may recall we had a bit of success with a couple of guys named Matt Mauck and Matt Flynn back there??? We need someone who can figure out where the ball needs to go and put it there with some semblance of accuracy. I'd love the see BH be that guy, but I'm not seeing it.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:10 pm to SabiDojo
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That interception was all on Etling. It was well underthrown
This. It makes it hard to take anyone's opinion seriously when they want to pin that INT on anyone but the QB.
Etling played well enough, and Dupre was bad again, but there is no shame in admitting the INT falls on Etling there.
The ball was underthrown. He also could have goene to Dural who had his man beat and had more room to run underneath it.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:15 pm to slackster
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This. It makes it hard to take anyone's opinion seriously when they want to pin that INT on anyone but the QB.
I feel the same way about anyone who thinks it was all on the QB.
Blame goes on both of them, but if you can't expect your 5* expected second round draft pick at worst to make that catch, then maybe he's not as advertised.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:21 pm to slackster
The roster sucks with our QBs. Early in the Miles era, we had a 5-star QB as a 3rd string option. We're to the point of playing true freshman QBs right out of high school and signing other team's cast aways in order to fill holes when we don't recruit the position.
Congrats Danny, enjoyed watching the completion of the forward pass but I don't think he is saving Miles/Cam's jobs unfortunately. Will be happy if I'm wrong.
Congrats Danny, enjoyed watching the completion of the forward pass but I don't think he is saving Miles/Cam's jobs unfortunately. Will be happy if I'm wrong.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
JJ vs JL 2.0
People are getting behind the guy they believe is that better QB and shtting on the other or over-hyping the one they chose. Just Stop. Let the sht play out. Neither are a savior right now. We are not there yet.
Until this offensive philosophy changes, you will see the same mistakes, QB's out of rhythm, and shut the offense down at the first glimpse of a lead.
People are getting behind the guy they believe is that better QB and shtting on the other or over-hyping the one they chose. Just Stop. Let the sht play out. Neither are a savior right now. We are not there yet.
Until this offensive philosophy changes, you will see the same mistakes, QB's out of rhythm, and shut the offense down at the first glimpse of a lead.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If you go back and watch, you'll see that Dupre was in front of the CB when the ball was in the air. Instead of slowing down and staying in front of the DB, and jumping for the ball with the defender behind him, he just keeps running and lets the defender get in front of him. Yes the ball was underthrown, but Dupre's horrible adjustment made it look even worse. he simply needed to position his body better against the DB. the fact that this wasn't a natural tendency in order to make the catch concerns me. making that catch isnt' something you can teach. A good wr would have none how to come down with that catch 7 out of 10 times.
Literally none of that is true, assuming we're talking about the INT. Dupre is trying to get behind the coverage on that play. He does so and then the ball is thrown. It was a poor decision to go there in the first place since Dural was open and had more room to work, and if you're going to make that throw for a "jump ball", you have to give you WR a chance and put it in the back of the end zone where it is either a TD or an incomplete pass.
None of that takes away from the fact that Etling provided a spark, and I'm on record saying he should start, but come on people, let's not make up stuff.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:23 pm to Topwater Trout
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why are 50/50 balls should be catches by our guys?
I think the problem is that they aren't catching any of them
At some point they need to bear some responsibility
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I feel the same way about anyone who thinks it was all on the QB. Blame goes on both of them, but if you can't expect your 5* expected second round draft pick at worst to make that catch, then maybe he's not as advertised.
I linked the INT. No way you can come back from that and think Dupre is a fault. That ball was an INT the entire way. No WR makes that catch, although he could have committed offensive PI and prevented the INT I guess.
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