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re: A closer look at Etling's 2nd half
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:32 pm to slackster
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:32 pm to slackster
quote:People putting that int on Dupre is pretty rich
I linked the INT. No way you can come back from that and think Dupre is a fault. That ball was an INT the entire way. No WR makes that catch, although he could have committed offensive PI and prevented the INT I guess.
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:34 pm to Powerman
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I think the problem is that they aren't catching any of them
true
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:36 pm to lsupride87
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People putting that int on Dupre is pretty rich
If BH had thrown it they would put it on BH
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:38 pm to slackster
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No way you can come back from that and think Dupre is a fault.
i'm not saying it wasn't Etling's fault. But i put a lot of blame on Dupre as well.
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That ball was an INT the entire way.
Not at all.
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No WR makes that catch
There's hundreds that would have.
Again, it appears some of you are only looking at the part of the video when the catch is made. Dupre is in front of the DB when the ball is thrown. Yes it was underthrown. Dupre should have kept the reciever behind him and came back to the ball more and jumped to catch the ball above his head, keeping the defender behind him. Instead he just kept running and let the defender get between him and the ball, which is the position Dupre should have been in.
Go back and look at the ball thrown to him in the endzone that was pass interference. that was a bad ball thrown as well where Dupre was a good bit ahead of the DB. But the lack of adjustment he made makes me wonder if he really has vision problems. that was a really bad throw, and no one was catching that, but he just overran it by a lot without really trying to adjust to it at all. It's as if he lacks the ability to correctly judge the depth of the ball. Or he just doens't give a shite. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:40 pm to Topwater Trout
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If BH had thrown it they would put it on BH
I don't remember people blaming BH last week when Dupre let an interception happen at the end of the first half on a ball that was underthrown. I know i didn't.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:52 pm to heartbreakTiger
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you can expect him to at least try to break up the pass, hell a pass int is better than the int.
I really don't know if this is even realistic. If this was anyone other than Etling the QB would be shouldering all the blame here.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Again, it appears some of you are only looking at the part of the video when the catch is made. Dupre is in front of the DB when the ball is thrown. Yes it was underthrown. Dupre should have kept the reciever behind him and came back to the ball more and jumped to catch the ball above his head, keeping the defender behind him. Instead he just kept running and let the defender get between him and the ball, which is the position Dupre should have been in.
Dupre is behind the CB from the moment the ball is in the air. Perhaps he could have stop running completely and let the DB run right over him?
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:56 pm to slackster
2 things...ball was thrown late and short
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:57 pm to slackster
I'm just going to leave this right here. All, I'm really saying with leaving this here is, I wish Chi was this. 
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:58 pm to therick711
Retired?
Yeh I wish we had C. Johnson also
Yeh I wish we had C. Johnson also
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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2 things...ball was thrown late and short
Exactly. The ball being late could be on the OL, but you still had Dural running behind the CB and the safety at the bottom of the screen.
I'd like to think we could get behind Etling getting the start without having to continuously throw other people under the bus. Dupre had a drop in the 2nd qtr and a lackluster effort on a jump ball in the 4th I believe. Criticize him there. If we're criticizing him for this I think it is a bit much.
I said the same in the Wisconsin game for BH. Dupre didn't do Harris any favors, but there were no outright drops.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:00 pm to HamBone14
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*Slightly* overthrown ball to Guice when he couldn't really step into the throw. Guice should have had it.
Whoa! You're friggin nuts if you think Guice "should have had that". At a full sprint Guice lunged and got one hand on it. That is a bad pass. Don't twist data to suit your agenda. It was a bad pass and a good effort by Guice. The pass should have been a full yard shorter. No reason to lead a wide open guy perfectly.
There were three bad passes, not one. The fact that Dupre should have contested the interception does not make the pass any better. That was a bad pass. So were the ones to Guice and the fullback. The screen that was batted down was ill-advised as well. That ball sticks and gets intercepted about 1 out of every 20 times.
Etling looked bad in the second half. On the other hand he looked better than you gave him credit for in the first half. You said he was "respectable". I think "fantastic" is more fitting.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:00 pm to Topwater Trout
Here's why our guys should catch "50-50" balls. By definition, they should catch
half of them.
half of them.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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Retired?
He'd have less drops.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:01 pm to therick711
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I'm just going to leave this right here. All, I'm really saying with leaving this here is, I wish Chi was this.
Even still, that ball had some height on it for a jump ball. Etling's pass was more or less on a rope. Dupre didn't stand a chance other than suggesting he stop on a dime and allow the DB to run him over.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:04 pm to slackster
Do you want me to put up the greatest hits gifs I have of Julio, AJ, Megatron, Dez, Gronk, Justin Hunter, Ty Prothro, Jeffrey, etc. making equally difficult if not more difficult catches in college or in the pros?
It wasn't an easy catch. He should have went all out to stop it from being intercepted, though, instead of just fading away from the ball.
It wasn't an easy catch. He should have went all out to stop it from being intercepted, though, instead of just fading away from the ball.
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:05 pm to slackster
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If this was anyone other than Etling the QB would be shouldering all the blame here.
So how come we blamed Dupre for the underthrown ball before the half last week?
Even in your gif, had Dupre came back a little and jumped from just outside the goal line instead of just inside it, he would have had a better chance to catch it b/c the defender would not have gotten in front of him.
Even the defender had to slow down. you see him shuffling his feet to time his jump. That's what Dupre should have been doing, instead of continually drifting further away from the ball.
The problem i think is Dupre didn't realize how much the ball was undrethrown until it was too late. Maybe he has vision problems. Had he noticed it earlier and slowed down more and comes back a little, he probably gets an interference call if he doens't catch it.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The problem i think is Dupre didn't realize how much the ball was undrethrown until it was too late. Maybe he has vision problems. Had he noticed it earlier and slowed down more and comes back a little, he probably gets an interference call if he doens't catch it.
I can concede this. He is slowing down and shuffling his feet trying to time the jump, but the defender's position and momentum push them both into the end zone during the jump. I just don't see a ton of error on Dupre's side considering how poor the pass is.
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So how come we blamed Dupre for the underthrown ball before the half last week?
Ehh, I think most just said he let the DB take it away from him, which is the truth. He had the ball and lost it.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:10 pm to TaderSalad
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Anyone who faults Etling for that doesnt understand football.
No, my friend, you're the one who doesn't understand football. That interception was Etling's fault. Malachi should definitely have bailed him out, but when a QB underthrows a receiver, and it's intercepted, it is first and foremost the QB's fault.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:10 pm to slackster
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but you still had Dural running behind the CB and the safety at the bottom of the screen.
Wait...you are saying he should have went to Dural there?
Dural was double covered and had just as much of a step as Dupre did
The decision to make that throw was not bad. It was late and underthrown, but I still put some blame on Dupre. Dupre got whipped by a 5'9" FCS corner.
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