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re: A closer look at Etling's 2nd half

Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:11 pm to
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:11 pm to
Just as long as we can all agree that it wasn't an impossible catch to make.

It was a tough catch he played into an exponentially more difficult one.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:11 pm to
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Do you want me to put up the greatest hits gifs I have of Julio, AJ, Megatron, Dez, Gronk, Justin Hunter, Ty Prothro, Jeffrey, etc. making equally difficult if not more difficult catches in college or in the pros?




Like someone else said, Dupre having to make a herculean effort to even get the ball batted down, much less caught, shouldn't take away from the fact that it is a poor throw.

I hate that it is carrying on this much and I don't mean to take away from Etling as a whole. I think a lot of people are seeing what they want to see and justifying their opinion, and I personally haven't seen enough to suggest either QB is significantly ahead of the other, but Etling undeniably provided a spark and that is enough to warrant a start IMO.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:14 pm to
I don't think Etling is very good. I think he can be average. I also think Dupre played that ball into an interception.
Posted by Tigerdev
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:17 pm to
I think is pretty clear that the second half makes this a "wait and see" situation with Etling. We are talking about JSU here.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:18 pm to
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Wait...you are saying he should have went to Dural there? Dural was double covered and had just as much of a step as Dupre did


We don't see enough of Dural to know whether he was behind the safety for sure, but it appears he was. I'm just suggesting that going to Dural would have given him the room to make the throw while leading the WR. He either had to throw it higher to Dupre or earlier. He did neither.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:20 pm to
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Dupre is behind the CB from the moment the ball is in the air. Perhaps he could have stop running completely and let the DB run right over him?

which would result in defensive pass int. That happens pretty frequently on under thrown balls.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:21 pm to


after watching this I'm putting more of this on Dupre

jesus christ he misplayed that ball
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:23 pm to
which brings up a point with his drops and that he wears glasses, he might be having depth perception issues. This could explain why he has been garbage this year. I hope its that vs attitude
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:37 pm to
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after watching this I'm putting more of this on Dupre

jesus christ he misplayed that ball


I just don't see how any of Dupre's actions excuse the throw, which is really my only point in the thread. The ball was thrown perfectly to the DB. When the WR has two steps on the guy it can't be thrown there.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:39 pm to
Do you notice the little hitch Dupre does to come back to the ball at first at about the 7 yard line? Almost looks like he read it right at first, but didnt' trust himself on that reading.

I'll say it again, it was still a poorly thrown ball, but if he starts that come back at the 7 and waits more on the ball keeping the defender on his butt, he probably gets a PI call at worst, catches it at best.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:39 pm to
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I just don't see how any of Dupre's actions excuse the throw


They don't. It was definitely underthrown. No question.

But the underthrown ball also does not excuse Dupre's actions of letting the DB beat him to the ball. That was a completely catchable ball and Dupre played it poorly. An elite WR makes that catch.
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:41 pm to
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I just don't see how any of Dupre's actions excuse the throw, which is really my only point in the thread. The ball was thrown perfectly to the DB. When the WR has two steps on the guy it can't be thrown there.



I think everyone agrees with this. We just expect more from our highly touted WR. Do you think Julio/AJ/OBJ would have let that be an int much less not make the catch?
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:45 pm to
yep ball clearly under thrown, however, it is better to make the under throw than the over throw. Everyone knows this, you under throw a ball so the wr has a chance to make the play. If you over throw it then you are fricked. Dupre had plenty of time to adjust and make the correct read, he even slows and shuffles and then mis plays it.

A bad throw that is under thrown gives a good wr either the chance to catch it or at least draw pass interference. Dupre compounded the under throw with a misplay.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:51 pm to
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But the underthrown ball also does not excuse Dupre's actions of letting the DB beat him to the ball. That was a completely catchable ball and Dupre played it poorly. An elite WR makes that catch.


I disagree. Dupre has his issues but this wasn't one of them.

Alternatively, if we're going with this line of thinking for Etling, should Dupre should take the fall for 5 passes against Wisconsin that hit him in the hands? Harris would have been a legit 17/21 for 225 yards instead.

I think the expectation for what Dupre should bring down is a bit ridiculous. An elite WR MIGHT make that play here and there.
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 1:57 pm
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:56 pm to
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however, it is better to make the under throw than the over throw.


That isn't true at all, particularly when the WR has the DB beat by 2 steps. Dupre did his job on the play and Etling was late and underthrew the ball. When you underthrow it, INTs can happen, and it did. It was 1st and 10 from the JSU 40. You throw that ball where only your guy can catch it or don't throw it at all.

Posted by Mayhawman
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:57 pm to
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jesus christ he misplayed that ball
Prolly shoulda dug in at gl and let DB go by or get PI, but a pass thrown a bit earlier and tRant is proclaiming 'ship.
Did OL wiff actually cause such a delay? It's so late looks more hail mary than post.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 2:01 pm to
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Alternatively, if we're going with this line of thinking for Etling, should Dupre should take the fall for 5 passes against Wisconsin that hit him in the hands? Harris would have been a legit 17/21 for 225 yards instead.


I shite on Dupre hard after the Wisconsin game.

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I think the expectation for what Dupre should bring down is a bit ridiculous. An elite WR MIGHT make that play here and there.


Dupre made it harder than it should have been because he so poorly played it.

This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 2:02 pm
Posted by Mayhawman
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 2:01 pm to
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yep ball clearly under thrown,
I think a ball thrown deep enough to not break stride woulda went out the EZ. I think ball was held to long.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 2:02 pm to
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I shite on Dupre hard after the Wisconsin game.


At least you're consistent.

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Dupre made it harder than it should have been because he so poorly played it.


Fair enough I guess.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 2:02 pm to
well yea an oline whiff would cause a delay because etling had to move to make the throw.

id say a good wr would make that play most of the time in the sec, they would at least come back to the ball and force a pi if not catch it.
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