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Let's talk about freezing pipes and hose bibb protection down here in the south...

Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Randall Savauge
Member since Aug 2021
319 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:47 pm
What do all do to protect your pipes and hose bibbs when the temps dip to freezing? And what is actually needed with today's building standards.

I know older houses with all copper or built off the ground face their own challenges.

I don't have any exposed pipes and I've always wrapped my hose bibbs with a cut up blanket or used one of those foam cover things.

My question is, what temp and duration actually requires protection? Or do we do it because that's what our dad did and our neighbors do so we better do it too?

And how do you protect? Wrap? Cover? Drip?

Really kicking myself for not thinking about frost proof hose bibbs when i built.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
14136 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:49 pm to
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Or do we do it because that's what our dad did and our neighbors do so we better do it too?


I do it now because I know if I don't and something happens to burst I'll be hearing "I told you so" from my wife for the rest of my life. I never worried about it until I got married and never had problems. I've lived in some old homes, too.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17749 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:52 pm to
I use Freeze Misers.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
18978 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

Really kicking myself for not thinking about frost proof hose bibbs when i built.

Will have to look into this when I redo my back porch.

I have always done it because I was told I should always do it. Don't know enough to question it and feel like an idiot for asking.

I use the foam insulation wrap around my pipes year-round to cover the space between the brick and the handle. I then use a foam cover over the actual bib. I put it on the first time it drops below 40 and keep it on until March/April (outside of the brief moment when I occasionally need to use them) when I start using my sprinklers/irrigation system
Posted by Randall Savauge
Member since Aug 2021
319 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:54 pm to
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I use Freeze Misers.


i'm literally watching videos on these now... that's what sparked me to make this tread. but i've got 8 hose bibbs so that's a pretty penny!!!
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
5091 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:55 pm to
I bought those insulated nylon bag style covers this year and they work ok I guess. They are counter intuitive in my view, because the whole point of the styrofoam covers is that it traps the heat from the house within it to help keep the faucet warm enough. The bag just velcros around the pipe.

I have all pex pipe so freezing pipes isn't a big deal for me, but I rather be safe than sorry with my hose faucets. Doesn't hurt to put them on and can only help.
Posted by Randall Savauge
Member since Aug 2021
319 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:56 pm to
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I have all pex pipe so freezing pipes isn't a big deal for me, but I rather be safe than sorry with my hose faucets. Doesn't hurt to put them on and can only help.


i'm a mix of pex and copper but the stub out of the wall is copper so : /
that's what concerns me.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
40638 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 4:11 pm to
Foam pipe insulation on the bib. If it's really cold, sub 20, I will wrap it in a towel and put a bucket on top of it....mune comes up from the ground. I don't worry about pipes unless it's sub 20 and under 32 for 2 days or more. I have a old pier & beam house and already have foam pipe insulation on pipes under the house. Never had an issue with those even when it was - 3 a few years ago, although we did drip faucets.
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
9287 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 5:25 pm to
I don't know why they don't just build with the valves that don't freeze up. No one ever wraps in my neighborhood, you don't need to. And this is where we got to -4 degrees last year. The valves they use here are deep set where they empty out from a few inches into the wall, there isn't any water near the outside. Maybe it's possible to switch them out in old houses in LA, none I had down there ever had these kind. I'm sure people say "we don't need those in LA", but then why was everyone wrapping pipes every damn year?
Posted by Randall Savauge
Member since Aug 2021
319 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 7:13 pm to
Because it’s an added cost for something that’s probably not needed.

If it gets to -4, YOU NEED IT. We don’t really dip past 32 but for a few hours each year. Which is why I’m asking if we really need it or we’re just being overly captions.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
21046 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 10:09 pm to
I have 4 hose bibs/spigots on a brick house. I wrap 3 that I won’t use with shop towels then wrap in duct tape. They look like a gray fist. It seems to work even when the temps got to 12 and 15 last year.

On the one I use in the winter and is located in the driveway, I just use one of those styrofoam cups with the rubber strap that holds it on tight. Fingers crossed.
Posted by xBirdx
Member since Sep 2018
1082 posts
Posted on 1/15/25 at 10:19 pm to
That stuff is unnecessary… never did more than drip my furthest faucets (hot and cold) from the main.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
69029 posts
Posted on 1/16/25 at 7:02 am to
Every hot and cold faucet inside and outside the house dripping the entire time it's below freezing, and check on them all every hour or two at night to check them.

If it's below freezing long enough they can grow an ice cycle up into themselves that can plug them up.
Posted by Antib551
Houma, LA
Member since Dec 2018
1260 posts
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:15 am to
Real freezes here in Houma are few and far in between. I have 3 bibs outside. I have a splitter on all 3 and keep the hose connected on one side, and a Freeze Miser on the other side. First hard freeze I'll open the valve on the Miser and it generally stays on through February. Zero worries. Zero issues. 1000% worth the money, no matter the amount of bibs you have.
Posted by Citica8
Duckroost, LA
Member since Dec 2012
3769 posts
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:36 am to
From the first freeze warning in the winter I take a grocery bag, wrap it around the spigot, then wrap a rag or two around the spigot (wash cloth/kitchen towel size, not bath towel), another grocery bag on top of the rag, and then a few wraps of electrical tape for every outside spigot. This has always been enough even when we have gone 2-3 days without getting above freezing. It blocks the wind, and helps keep some of the heat from the house. (All of my bibs are in insulated walls) and we have the heat on in the house. These stay on until I either need one or until the spring. I still had 2 covered when I went to wrap them this year.

We'll start dripping hot and cold when it gets below 30 for more than a couple hours.

I have an outdoor bathroom that has a long run of pex through an uninsulated attic across the carport. I cut in valves to be able to block and drain that entire system, takes 2 minutes, and keeps me from having to babysit another area. I'll put a space heater in the bathroom to keep the toilet and traps from freezing.

Each house is going to be a little different, We built our house, so I'm very aware of how the plumbing is ran, and it's also all PEX. The PEX can expand, but that doesn't mean a copper fitting won't split when it does. My biggest concern is always my tankless water heater which is in the attic, I try to make sure there is some flow going through it but not so much that the gas is running.

For hard freezes or long freezes, I'll do all of the above plus things like setting the dishwasher to delay start in the middle of the night, and we'll do some more loads of laundry during the freezing temps.

Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17749 posts
Posted on 1/16/25 at 9:22 am to
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but i've got 8 hose bibbs so that's a pretty penny!!!


$200 is cheaper than a plumber coming out.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
17855 posts
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:55 am to
I live in a house that is near 100 years old and I did change out the galvanized pipes to copper when I first bought in back in 92. It is a 2 story built on a slab so most of my pipes are running through the ceiling area of the 1st floor and are protected from freezing.

There's 2 places where the pipes are exposed and they are all wrapped in the proper foam insulation. To be safe if it gets cold enough that there may be an issue I'll let the very last, longest run of pipe seep slowly as long as it's below freezing just to keep it slightly flowing.

This run terminates at the very back of my house 3 ft. off the ground. It is also the one I use to drain my water lines if I have a plumbing issue and need to do some pipe repairs since it is the farthest and lowest outlet.
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
probably stuck in traffic
Member since May 2021
7128 posts
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:23 pm to
We're pretty protected out here. Even though it's a slab, we run the water on just below warm throughout the night on all faucets inside, running the faucets outside to where it's looking like a slow leak.

I recently purchased the self-adhesive insulation and replaced the old pipe covers with it. They looked beat to shite and now they look brand spanking new.

I have also taken the recommendation of running the dishwasher in the middle of the morning on a delay (starting around 2am or 3am) depending on when the cold is going to really hit.

Plants go in our back room that has the light on at all times. Better than throwing a blanket over them and praying.
Posted by mikie421
continental shelf
Member since Nov 2008
785 posts
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:02 pm to
I just put an oven mitt over mine and wrap it with duct tape
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3548 posts
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:13 pm to
I’m on pier and beam. Mixture of copper and PEX at this point. If it’s projected to be mid-20’s at night I just run all my exterior and interior faucets before going to bed. I do wrap outside faucets with a towel.

If it gets into the teens, I will wake up in the middle of the night and run water again. I will run water first thing in the morning after waking up.

The next time I drip faucets will be the first.
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