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re: Liquid dethatching

Posted by Citica8 on 4/20/25 at 9:43 pm
If you are on top of the aftercare, then mechanical dethatching can be done on St. Aug, I would probably still go the route of core aeration and follow up with the chemical dethatch. This will break up some of the thatch, increase drainage, and allow you to feed the microbes more efficiently.

The chemical route is pretty much molasses, milorganite fertilizer also feeds the microbes, doing both after aeration will improve the soil health without harming the turf

re: Liquid dethatching

Posted by Citica8 on 4/20/25 at 8:52 am
I must have glanced over the St Aug part. Thatch is not typically an issue with St Aug unless excessive thatch is contributing fungal "brown patch" issues. You're going to be better off aerating than dethatching

Generally its not recommended but dethatching can still be done on St Aug, if very careful. Time of year and after care becomes super important, but using a verti-cut with 3" spacing, and only in a single direction rather than a power rake with 1" spacing

re: Aerating Lawn Tips

Posted by Citica8 on 4/19/25 at 10:21 pm
There's no downside to core aeration, regardless of the grass.

re: Liquid dethatching

Posted by Citica8 on 4/19/25 at 10:18 pm
Mechanical dethatching allows air to get into enough area to wake up the existing microbes that will feed on the existing thatch that is there. A chemical dethatch just feeds those microbes already there, but its more of an instant thing vs a time released long term deal.

Doing both is definitely not going to hurt the turf. The question is, if mechanical alone improves the turf 50%, where chemical alone improves the turf 15%, does doing both yield a 60%, 65% or 80% improvement. Could be a "fun" experiment.

Fertilizing with something like milorganite after a mechanical dethatching will also feed the microbes, and is more time released/longer term option. This is the route I would take.

re: Aerating Lawn Tips

Posted by Citica8 on 4/18/25 at 7:49 pm
touche, but we agree there's some things to try before attempting a run at yard of the month

re: Aerating Lawn Tips

Posted by Citica8 on 4/18/25 at 7:28 pm
I don't know about Home Depot, but I rented from AAA rent all a few years back, was partially self propelled, worked well. All I did was fertilize after.

This is 2/3 steps above 'minimal as possible' minimal would be a few bags of milorganite or bonus S and turn the sprinklers on every so often.

re: Atrazine and Trees

Posted by Citica8 on 4/18/25 at 5:34 pm
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Randy never recommend weed and feed. He just says have you ever read the label on the bag.
Fair enough.

I’ve used it around oaks, magnolias, holly, crepe Myrtles, vitex, and gardenias, without noticing any negatives. Most were fairly established, but if they weren’t I mulched out to at least the drip line so I wasn’t spraying that area. Most of the bad wrap is coming from the Ag practices of spraying over tens of thousands of square miles, same as with glyphosate.

Your tree guy could also be CYA’ing. It’s unlikely that the strength or application rate a homeowner would have access to would cause more harm than transplanting and disturbing a potentially root bound tree.

re: Lawn fertilization

Posted by Citica8 on 4/18/25 at 10:14 am
Do you pay someone to cut your yard? Did you rent a core aerator?

Bermuda is easier to explain then zoysia, it will grow anywhere. Zoysia is pretty difficult to get to grow from a seed comparatively, especially in established lawns. It's possible they were short a partial pallet and grabbed it by mistake.

The person who told you could also not really know what they're talking about too. Can it be fixed? Sure. Is it worth it? Probably not.

re: Atrazine and Trees

Posted by Citica8 on 4/18/25 at 8:17 am
No pesticides are good for any plants that have not established itself.

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He said don't use anything that ends in ZINE that it was not good for the trees.
Simazine is used almost exclusively on fruit trees.

Randy Lemmon lost me at the title when he's recommending weed and feed in general.

I made Atrazine for 12 years. I'm not smart enough to know what makes Atrazine any worse for the environment than MSM, 2-4-D, Dicamba, or Pendimethalin, but I don't think the list of people who are smart enough, are on garden radio, peddling weed and feed.

If you want your yard to look like Augusta National you're going to need some help chemically, don't like chemicals, then plant your yard with native prairie grasses and wildflowers for pollinators.
I put them back in the same rubbermaid container I use to bring up to the camp, with some 15 or 20 year old cedar blocks, that are probably useless for moths, and definitely useless as a cover

re: Can I save this yard?

Posted by Citica8 on 4/9/25 at 9:35 am
Absolutely, I don't think it looks too terrible. Under the tree in the front yard, it needs more day light, the ground looks compacted, so need some method of aeration, without messing with the irrigation or getting too close to the tree roots.

I've never been a fan of using grass plugs, but you have the perfect set up to do it, and you can try different grasses for relatively cheap and see which one thrives, whether its different grasses all together or different varieties of the same grass. How to Use Grass Plugs to Test Shade Tolerance
Take it on yourself, its an easy project, couple YouTube videos and you'll ready.

The good thing is once you get the sheet rock in and initially taped, you can take your time on the rest.

Buy a couple 2'x2' squares of sheet rock.
Use some scrap wood on the ends to give yourself something to screw into, I like the thick paint stirrers, you'd use for a 5 gallon bucket, not the quart.
Chamfer all the edges.
Thin out the mud a little bit so it's easier to work.
I prefer the wet sponge approach over sanding, but when doing such a large area you're going to have to sand it.
Finally, the most important part of making it look seamless is to get the texture to match, take a scrap piece and play around with the density of the spray and how far apart you are standing, and if you mess it up you can wipe it off with a wet rag or sponge and start over.
My costas broke 2 years ago right before vacation, bought a pair of bajios while on vacation, wore them for a year and a half before I got a scratch right in my line of sight, ended up going back with the same costas as before
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I’ve always went the cheaper route but I’d buy the better stuff if it actually is a big difference


Buy cheap store brand (Home Depot/Tractor Supply) @ ~40%

Mix to manufactures rec's - Putting a quart/gal when it calls for 2oz/gal does not make it die deader.

Spray heavy rather than mixing heavy

Add surfactant (Dawn dish soap works fine) This breaks the surface tension and prevents the mix from just rolling off the leaves.

Add a scoop of MiracleGro to the sprayer A formulation chemist gave me this trick, adding fertilizer makes the plant pull in the herbicide faster and deeper, making it rain ready quicker, and having less wasted spray.

The added surfactant and fertilizer mixture makes a big diff

re: Are Sub-Compact Tractors worth it?

Posted by Citica8 on 4/1/25 at 8:57 pm
I definitely don't want a 40 horse tractor with an A/C cab that I'm going to pay double for, rutting up the yard to rearrange our raised beds and move some flower bed mulch around. I'd be fine taking half scoops of whatever dirt or limestone I'm potentially moving if it means I don't have to shovel it. We've made out fine the last 5 years getting trees moved around after storms dragging stuff with trucks or even the zero turn, worst case a tree gets cut smaller with the chainsaw for the tractor to handle it if I go that route.

I've got a list of things I'd like to get done that would absolutely be easier with a scoop and grader box, but I also know I can pay someone to take care of that as well. I also know I can rent or borrow one to get all of it done, but long term it would be handy to have around. If I can do that below $20k for something new, I can see the value in it, once I get above that I feel like I'm better off just grabbing one on a need to use basis.

One major benefit to the subcompacts, is you don't need a special trailer for them, a regular 6' utility trailer isn't going to be over loaded with one

This was just a starting point for research before I go check them out in person and get real pricing, if its not possible to get a subcompact for under 20k with minimal attachments/implements, but I can get a used compact for 20k with what I'm looking for that's obviously the route to go, but I figured with as many as I see on lots someone on here had to have some real world experience with them.

re: Are Sub-Compact Tractors worth it?

Posted by Citica8 on 4/1/25 at 2:32 pm
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thats a question only you can answer. your question in the OP was whether or not a subcompact tractor is useful...and the answer is absolutely yes


True, as the sole sub compact tractor owner in here with a front end loader, you’re familiar with its benefits and limitations.

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I can load more weight in my 48” bucket than the tractor can safely handle…on occasion. A full scoop of wet soil for example. You just have to be smart and safe
This is the type of feedback I was interested in. You seem to be happy with what you got, and don’t have any regret about going with a sub over a compact. Anything else you can add would be appreciated.

re: Are Sub-Compact Tractors worth it?

Posted by Citica8 on 4/1/25 at 6:38 am
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The Kioto/Bobcat tractors are considerably cheaper than deere or kubota
those along with Mahindra, bad boy, yanmar, and LS were where I was looking.

re: Are Sub-Compact Tractors worth it?

Posted by Citica8 on 4/1/25 at 6:30 am
We are 100% keeping the zero turn, this wouldn’t be a replacement, and I would not buy the belly mower.

I know a compact tractor (2/20/200 or 3/30/300 series brand depending) would do everything I’m looking to do, the question is are the subs worth having around. They’re still expensive, especially new, but having a front end loader and the other implements would be a life and back saver. I can’t justify buying and keeping a 30 or 40 horse tractor for the house because we have one at the camp (not mine).

The question I have, is am I better off buying a mini tractor and slowly work on everything at a slower pace since it’s small, or should I just use and borrow a big tractor to knock out those things in a couple weeks?

re: Ceiling Fan for Patio

Posted by Citica8 on 3/31/25 at 6:26 pm
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Minka H2O OutDoor. These bad boys move some serious air and they are affordable.
on my second one in 5 years, have not been impressed with them.

I’d buy an evaporative/swamp cooler rated for* 2x the size of your sitting area, preferably one that oscillates, and you’ll be way more comfortable.

ETA*