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re: Your low carb diet is probably killing you
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:37 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:37 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Just nonstop ad hom, despite the fact that I am courteous to you and despite the fact that I've never even measured ketones before. What's your angle? Do you just want people here not to have amicable discussions?
The keto cult handbook
But in any event, stop eating carbs today and see what happens (you will thrive.)
Stop eating fat and/or protein, and see how long before your body falls apart.
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Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
White rice is actually better then brown rice mainly due to gut health, not meant for anyone in particular just an FYI. Both have about the same glycemic index but white rice causes much less gut issues for most people.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:45 pm to lsu777
Yea brown rice when I used to eat it had me bloated as frick
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:48 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Just nonstop ad hom, despite the fact that I am courteous to you and despite the fact that I've never even measured ketones before. What's your angle? Do you just want people here not to have amicable discussions?
Bc you completely dismiss what carb eaters say.
quote:with the way I train no I won’t
But in any event, stop eating carbs today and see what happens (you will thrive.)
quote:no shite, and I eat tons of healthy fat, but this absurd stance you take about all carbs are bad for you is straight cult like. Or saying we shouldn’t eat vegetables
Stop eating fat and/or protein, and see how long before your body falls apart
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:49 pm to lsu777
quote:What's the reason brown rice has such a halo of godliness relative to white rice? Are they glycemic loads similar? Is it the same story with white bread?
White rice is actually better then brown rice mainly due to gut health, not meant for anyone in particular just an FYI. Both have about the same glycemic index but white rice causes much less gut issues for most people.
IYO, how did this absurd "whole grain" thing take off to such an extraordinary degree?
I was just reading a thing yesterday about the history of wheat consumption and how quickly those early humans fell into disease and decay when it became a staple.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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was just reading a thing yesterday about the history of wheat consumption and how quickly those early humans fell into disease and decay when it became a staple
O I guess caveman with their shorter life spans and plenty of health problems were so healthy when they didn’t consume grains
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:23 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I was just reading a thing yesterday about the history of wheat consumption and how quickly those early humans fell into disease and decay when it became a staple.
What a ridiculous statement.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:49 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I agree with a lot of your posts, but I wouldn’t mock this one. Grains are not required and could actually hinder health due to gluten and other lectins like WGA. I’m with you on the carbs, but whole food, non grain sources are best for gut and overall health. Cavemen obviously did live shorter life spans, but they didn’t die from the chronic diseases that afflict western cultures. Remains show that when humans started eating grains they shrunk in height and had more caveties than their pre grain consuming counterparts. Also, studies of current indigenous cultures show that although early childhood mortality rates are much higher than ours in western countries, those that make it into adulthood have similar average lifespans than us without the common chronic diseases of the West. Chris Kresser has a ton of pod casts and articles where he dives into this stuff.
TLDR sub the grains with other vegetable and fruit carbohydrates for optimal gut and overall health.
TLDR sub the grains with other vegetable and fruit carbohydrates for optimal gut and overall health.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
Because people assumed that insulin response had a huge overall effect on body composition, when it doesn't in the grand scheme of things. It was assumed that whole grains caused a slower response and in general they do, but people as usual failed to read the science and assumed there had to be a large difference in brown vs white rice when there isnt. The glycemic index has a margin of error of +-4. White rice is 73, brown is 68.
So that difference is essentially non existent. So examine the micronutriention, not much difference there except brown rice has anti nutrients that cause it to be harder to digest and to cause gas.
So people are going to say fiber content is the difference. There is no studies showing the fiber or phytochemicals in anything but fruit that show it has weight loss effects. It's all assumed yet science doesn't bear out these hypothesis.
So if there is no difference in any perceived health benefits yet the one that is deemed inferior is easier on gut health. So why choice the brown, makes no sense.
Btw you shouldn't eat rice unless its fresh as it is a the perfect breading ground for bacteria as it cools.
Good article on white rice vs brown rice
LINK
As far as the other comments, look at the spartan diet. Ate very little wheat based foods yet we're and still are considered the Pinnacle of health.
Look I mean rice or direct carbs shouldn't even be used unless in a weight gain phase, performance or for adherence to diet. In a optimal fat loss diet you really shouldn't have room for much direct carbs. When your diet is 60% protein, 30% fat, you really only have room for fruit to keep thyroid function high and veggies.
This whole thread is stupid though. People arguing over stupid shite and major in the minors. Anyone that thinks a diet based around balancing Omega 3 vs Omega 6 is unhealthy, well they can't be helped. Anyone that can't see through study that considers 150g of carbs low carb or classifies steak and ice cream in the same catagory is too dumb to be helped.
So that difference is essentially non existent. So examine the micronutriention, not much difference there except brown rice has anti nutrients that cause it to be harder to digest and to cause gas.
So people are going to say fiber content is the difference. There is no studies showing the fiber or phytochemicals in anything but fruit that show it has weight loss effects. It's all assumed yet science doesn't bear out these hypothesis.
So if there is no difference in any perceived health benefits yet the one that is deemed inferior is easier on gut health. So why choice the brown, makes no sense.
Btw you shouldn't eat rice unless its fresh as it is a the perfect breading ground for bacteria as it cools.
Good article on white rice vs brown rice
LINK
As far as the other comments, look at the spartan diet. Ate very little wheat based foods yet we're and still are considered the Pinnacle of health.
Look I mean rice or direct carbs shouldn't even be used unless in a weight gain phase, performance or for adherence to diet. In a optimal fat loss diet you really shouldn't have room for much direct carbs. When your diet is 60% protein, 30% fat, you really only have room for fruit to keep thyroid function high and veggies.
This whole thread is stupid though. People arguing over stupid shite and major in the minors. Anyone that thinks a diet based around balancing Omega 3 vs Omega 6 is unhealthy, well they can't be helped. Anyone that can't see through study that considers 150g of carbs low carb or classifies steak and ice cream in the same catagory is too dumb to be helped.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 5:25 am to lsuwontonwrap
Satire?
Posted on 8/28/18 at 10:33 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I disagree with them. I don't attack them as being "cult members".
Bc you completely dismiss what carb eaters say.
quote:
no shite, and I eat tons of healthy fat, but this absurd stance you take about all carbs are bad for you is straight cult like. Or saying we shouldn’t eat vegetables
Your problem is you start with a priori "truths" and then act like not agreeing with the orthodoxy is "cultish". Just because you have been pummeled with "eat your vegetables" your whole life (we all have) doesn't mean it's actually true.
Also, I didn't say you SHOULDN'T eat vegetables. I said that to the extent you don't like certain ones, don't feel ANY pressure to eat those. And if you don't like any - then don't eat any. Please stop mis-paraphrasing me.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 10:35 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
O I guess caveman with their shorter life spans and plenty of health problems were so healthy when they didn’t consume grains
You keep referencing "cavemen" as if that is accurate.
What "health problems" are you claiming earlier human populations had?
Posted on 8/28/18 at 10:40 am to lsu777
quote:
As far as the other comments, look at the spartan diet. Ate very little wheat based foods yet we're and still are considered the Pinnacle of health.
Look I mean rice or direct carbs shouldn't even be used unless in a weight gain phase, performance or for adherence to diet. In a optimal fat loss diet you really shouldn't have room for much direct carbs. When your diet is 60% protein, 30% fat, you really only have room for fruit to keep thyroid function high and veggies.
This whole thread is stupid though. People arguing over stupid shite and major in the minors. Anyone that thinks a diet based around balancing Omega 3 vs Omega 6 is unhealthy, well they can't be helped. Anyone that can't see through study that considers 150g of carbs low carb or classifies steak and ice cream in the same catagory is too dumb to be helped.
Agreed. However, I don't think we should quite give up yet. Being told something by authority over and over and over for decades just does impact the human psyche. It's very hard to go against the grain (pun intended.) It's especially hard when "studies" like this come out; most people only have time for headlines, so why wouldn't they just have their existing biases confirmed?
I continue to be amazed, though, at just how "cultish" the grains pushing has become. People waltz around like zombies just muttering "more whole grains, more whole grains". It's insane. EVERY SINGLE PERSON I KNOW who has cut grains out of their diets has had radically positive outcomes. I know a few people who all they did was stop eating bread, and even they rave.
It sort of reminds me of the "sugar makes you hyper" craze of the 80s and 90s. It just does not, although it's one of the most common tropes still alive. That is to say - it should be easily, directly observable, and yet people still believe the wrong thing.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
O I guess caveman with their shorter life spans and plenty of health problems were so healthy when they didn’t consume grains
I thought it was mainly because of infant mortality rates?
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
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If you never have another carb again the rest of your life, your body won't care.
Not if you train hard.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 3:21 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:What's your prediction in the ways in which your body would care would be manifest? Ill health? Death?
Not if you train hard.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 4:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
Slower recovery and sluggishness.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 4:30 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:Yes, that's possible. That's obviously of a different order of magnitude than dying or suffering disease.
Slower recovery and sluggishness.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 5:12 pm to Big Scrub TX
Still doesn’t make carbs bad for us.
Like i said before we shouldn’t be over doing it
But if you keep your comsumption at a reasonable level you will be fine
And still enjoy life like today when I had donuts
All this vegan or keto friendly imitation food, which some time is actually processed foods dont waste as good as the real thing
Like i said before we shouldn’t be over doing it
But if you keep your comsumption at a reasonable level you will be fine
And still enjoy life like today when I had donuts
All this vegan or keto friendly imitation food, which some time is actually processed foods dont waste as good as the real thing
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 5:15 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:You can believe that if you want.
Still doesn’t make carbs bad for us.
quote:
All this vegan or keto friendly imitation food, which some time is actually processed foods isn’t as good as the real thing
Of course not. I eat very little of it.
quote:
But if you keep your comsumption at a reasonable level you will be fine
What happens to you beyond a "reasonable" level?
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