re: Your low carb diet is probably killing you

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You do realize that these aren't necessarily goals for everyone? I'm not doing keto but it seems a bit silly to think that someone's view on diet is inferior if they aren't some body builder

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they way he shits on every other form of dieting makes him project himself as some kind of super human.

And if he is hard core keto, the body fat should be melting off of him.

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they way he shits on every other form of dieting makes him project himself as some kind of super human.

And if he is hard core keto, the body fat should be melting off of him.

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Please just stop assigning things to me I haven't said.

I can boil down my views in just a few bullets:

I view everything from the perspective of health - which I define as "disease-free longevity".

Thus, diet to me is ONLY about health. Weight loss/body composition/etc. are mere byproducts.

Your body has literally zero requirement for ingested carbohydrate. Further, ingested carbohydrate is likely bad for health.

Therefore, avoid eating carbohydrate.

Literally, that's it.


I have said repeatedly, I don't do "hardcore keto". I have never attempted to measure body ketones even once in my life.

Now, given that your human body was designed to run on fat and protein AND under quite harsh conditions, my position is (for the supposed "performance athletes" around here) why fool around with a bunch of carbs when you don't need them?

And to the extent that you are SO HARDCORE WITH YOUR HARDCORE WORKOUTS that you are an outlier in the population and need a tiny boost from carbs, those are the same as PED's. It's true - sugar will literally give you a final burst of energy that you might not get without it (just like any other drug you might choose to use.)

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they way he shits on every other form of dieting makes him project himself as some kind of super human.

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You just seem determined to get this wrong. Again, the ONLY perspective I view it from is health. You seem to think I am bragging that I am some performance athlete on the only diet for that that I could possibly imagine. Wrong. I am a regular guy in good shape and excellent health who eats low carb. That's it.

The focus of this board seems to sort of be around body building. I have attempted to make it more about healthful diet.

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Now, given that your human body was designed to run on fat and protein AND under quite harsh conditions, my position is (for the supposed "performance athletes" around here) why fool around with a bunch of carbs when you don't need them

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Your body was designed to run on both fat/protein AND on carbohydrates. We overeat them....sure, but the body runs more efficiently with them. There is no doubt about this. The most fat adapted person is going to get a performance boost by ingesting carbs.

Someone who sits behind a desk all day and goes home to lounge on the couch probably won't feel a difference between a Keto diet and a "regular" diet. But if you are a runner or do some pretty high exertion weight lifting, etc. you will feel a difference and perform better.

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I didn't really want to get in the middle of ya'll pissing match, but I think there's something to be said here - I think you may be underestimating how effective carbs are for workouts, particularly intense workouts like most CrossFit WODs (which Homey does) and how important they can be for post-workout recovery if you partake in these intense workouts 4,5, or 6 days a week.. or more often if you're like lsualum and do 2-3 workouts/day.

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I don't necessarily disagree, but I still think it is likely overstated. I am personally involved in a personal training regimen (due to recovery from a surgery) and am going at it fairly hard myself. Perhaps not as intense as crossfit, but I do 45 minute sessions of weights/lifts where I'd guess my heart rate is above 135 for most of that time (i.e. it's not supposed to be a cardio session, but it in effect is also.)

I put essentially zero thought into timing eating or changing around my diet based on these workouts...and all I see is: great energy, no problems before/after, and steady muscle gain and improvement of body fat %. Now, this is only 3-4 times/week (and not multiple times per day), but I think even a fairly active exerciser doesn't actually need those carbs. (And even if ingested carbs WOULD provide a marginal improvement, I don't think it's worth the long-term effects.)

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do realize that your perspective is that of a "regular joe" and that is your arguing point, so I can agree that people that just do some running and lifting and/or calisthenics for a healthful life don't really need carbs.

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Thanks for acknowledging this. And even beyond that - if I were convinced that carbs were ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for these workouts, I would still say "just be aware that they aren't healthy for you, and your super-body is coming with a cost for long-term health."

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Big Scrub TX

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Your body was designed to run on both fat/protein AND on carbohydrates.
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And yet only 2 of those are vital. One is literally irrelevant.


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sure, but the body runs more efficiently with them.
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Simply untrue.


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The most fat adapted person is going to get a performance boost by ingesting carbs.
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Also untrue.

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So every professional endurance athlete is putting themselves at a significant disadvantage just because. Nobody has cracked the code even though there's so much 100%-definitive-without-a-doubt proven science behind it. It's a huge pain to plan your nutrition in long distance triathlon. Why didn't they think to just be fat adapted and keep an extra 3 lbs of body fat for the race? Idiots I tell you.

And it doesn't take a professional. I do this stuff as a hobby. I'm not fast. I just enjoy the challenge. When I got an upset stomach and couldn't get my food down during my Ironman, I hit a wall. When I could finally get carbs down, I felt like a new person and could start running again. Trust me, I've got a ton of body fat. It wasn't helping. And I did a year of low and slow training to increase my fat adaptation. There is truth to it being helpful. It's just impossible to run completely off of it at any sort of intensity. I've sat through several sport nutrition seminars and they all say the same.

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There are bad carbs and less bad carbs. If you never have another carb again the rest of your life, your body won't care.

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Where did you come up with this?

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Where did you come up with this?

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The actual medical literature. It should not be a fact obscure to you that your body has literally zero requirement for ingested carb. One counter talking point you often here to this is but but but your brain needs GLUCOSE to run! Yes, that's true. The average human brain needs 4g of glucose per day...an amount that is trivially small for your metabolic processes to synthesize internally.

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Where did you come up with this?

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The keto cult handbook