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re: Your low carb diet is probably killing you
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:02 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:02 pm to Big Scrub TX
Sounds like Willett is on the take
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Posted on 8/23/18 at 2:06 pm to Powerman
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Sounds like Willett is on the take
I bet he eats millet and also eats cake
Posted on 8/23/18 at 3:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Also, notice the last category: "Meat, sweets, baked goods, cereal, etc." ?
I wish I had copied the first questionnaire from the lymphoma study I'm in. They probably hate me because I rewrote questions like that. Almost identical. The one I'm thinking of put ice cream in the same "macro" as steak. And we wonder why the state of nutrition science is so FUBAR??
Posted on 8/23/18 at 3:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
Good post. I read this article yesterday as I am on his mailing list. I absolutely hate these studies as it confuses the crap out of uninformed people. My mother in law sent one of the articles reporting on this study to my wife. My father in law was instructed to eat lower carb by his doctor (not quite Keto) to clear up a health issue and he’s lost 30 lbs over the last two months. However with this article out, it has them second guessing. I told my wife to send her the Chris Kresser debunk you linked so hopefully he can stick to it worry free.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 8:39 pm to LSUTiger1026
Check the other ones too. It really is borderline malpractice - some of the doctors attaching their name to this dreck.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 9:04 pm to Big Scrub TX
Did you post Zoe's? I love her.
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We need to make a critical point up front: every headline using the words “low carb” was wrong. The first sentence of the paper was “Low carbohydrate diets…” This was also wrong. The full paper used the words “low carbohydrate” 40 times. That was also wrong – 40 times. Low carb diets have not been studied by this paper. Full stop. The average carbohydrate intake of the lowest fifth of people studied was 37%. That’s a high carb diet to anyone who eats a low carb diet. As we will see below, the researchers managed to find just 315 people out of over 15,000 who consumed less than 30% of their diet in the form of carbohydrate. The average carb intake of these 315 people was still over 26%. Not even these people were anywhere near low carb eating. Hence, if you do eat a low carbohydrate diet, don’t worry – this paper has nothing to do with you. You’re welcome to continue reading to see what else was wrong with this paper.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:17 am to McLemore
I posted her hot take earlier this week and was just about to post this longer form she just posted!
Yes, excellent stuff. Nothing you read is ever true.
Yes, excellent stuff. Nothing you read is ever true.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 11:26 am to lsuwontonwrap
There is a difference between a sweet potato and white bread.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 11:52 am to lsuwontonwrap
quote:So just like everything else, moderation is key
The team linked high-carb and low-carb diets to a slightly higher risk of death.
Im pretty sure I could be a scientist
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:23 pm to lsupride87
quote:Um, no, that is not the takeaway.
So just like everything else, moderation is key
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:48 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yes, it is
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:41 pm to Paul Allen
quote:It absolutely is not.
Yes, it is
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:42 pm to AUCE05
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There is a difference between a sweet potato and white bread.
Some keto cult will argue otherwise
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:33 pm to AUCE05
quote:Of course there is. Sweet potatoes, e.g., have a lot of Vitamin A. Of course, there are many superior, non-carb/sugar-bearing sources of Vitamin A that are more bio-available.
There is a difference between a sweet potato and white bread.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 4:48 pm to lsupride87
That study is a piss poor attempt at slandering the low carb community. It falls apart under small amounts of scrutiny.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 4:50 pm to lsuwontonwrap
Well there are good carbs and shitty carbs. The good carbs don't wreak havoc on your insulin levels.
If you think you're extending your life by eating McDonalds French fries every day you have another thing coming.
If you think you're extending your life by eating McDonalds French fries every day you have another thing coming.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 6:26 pm to Goldrush25
quote:There are bad carbs and less bad carbs. If you never have another carb again the rest of your life, your body won't care. This is not true for fat or protein.
Well there are good carbs and shitty carbs.
quote:They also don't help.
The good carbs don't wreak havoc on your insulin levels.
quote:Ironically, the biggest offender in McD's fries might be the oil they use and not the potatoes themselves. If they switched back to tallow, I might eat them once per week.
If you think you're extending your life by eating McDonalds French fries every day you have another thing coming.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 6:32 pm to Big Scrub TX
It's already been beaten to death but William Davis has a short commentary on the study
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Another problem: confounding factors. If you say, for instance, that you are a vegetarian, it also means that you don’t drink much, don’t smoke, don’t engage in other high-risk behaviors, probably take nutritional supplements, eat more whole foods over processed foods. In other words, eating a certain way means that there are other behaviors attached to that way of eating; any effect on outcomes cannot be assumed to be due to vegetarianism per se, but to the entire collation of behaviors.
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Observational data is like having no data at all. Time after time, the conclusions drawn from observational studies (and falsely reported by study authors or the media as definitive conclusion) have fallen apart in prospective studies. My favorite example is Premarin, horse estrogens prescribed to women for years. Observational data suggested that Premarin (that looks and acts NOTHING like human estrogens) reduced breast cancer, reduced endometrial cancer, and reduced heart disease. This was responsible for making Premarin the most widely-prescribed drug in the world for about a decade. Then the prospective, randomized HERS and Women’s Health Initiative trials were conducted. Conclusion: Premarin INCREASED breast cancer, INCREASED endometrial cancer, INCREASED cardiovascular death, even accelerated dementia. And this has been the story over and over again: Conclusions drawn in observational studies have proven to be flat wrong about 4 times out of 5.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 7:20 pm to Goldrush25
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Well there are good carbs and shitty carbs. The good carbs don't wreak havoc on your insulin levels
Exactly
And getting your carbs from whole grains is a good start
Brown rice, whole grain for wraps
Bananas pre workout of in between workouts is great if you do a ton back to back.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 7:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
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There are bad carbs and less bad carbs. If you never have another carb again the rest of your life, your body won't care. This is not true for fat or protein.
We are not fricking cavemen
Like what others have said moderation and finding what macro numbers work for you is the key.
Should you be having 300g of carbs a day. Of course not
But if you live an active lifestyle there is nothing wrong having 80g-120g a day from whole food and whole grains. Sometimes maybe 150g-200g if you work out a lot and need the carbs for recovery and muscle growth. Not to mention having to tap into glycogen storage for extra energy once what you get from your fats is gone. That’s science, not some keto bro science
This post was edited on 8/24/18 at 7:28 pm
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