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re: Your low carb diet is probably killing you
Posted on 8/25/18 at 7:45 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 8/25/18 at 7:45 am to StraightCashHomey21
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That’s science, not some keto bro science
No it's just reductionist and misguided.
The science behind ketosis is far from "bro." And a proper cycling or targeted ketogenic plan is far more beneficial for overall health, and--if you're properly adapted--for endurance and performance in balance with that overall health, than willy-nilly grain intake.
The vast majority of people out there don't need to concern themselves with stocking glycogen stores.
I'll stick with bro doctors such as Peter Attia, Stephen Phinney, Dom D'Agostino, and Jeff Volek, over the eat-whole-grain bro science on here.
That said, one can certainly still reap the benefits of beta-hydroxybuterate (which the post-caveman body and brain LOVE) while eating carbs--the amount depends on one's activity level, genetics, fat adaptation level, and time-restricted feeding.
But the idea that you neeeeed carbs is, ironically, the epitome of bro science.
Now, there are micronutrients that come w carbs that show some great benefits, so I eat them: turmeric, broccoli sprouts, cinnamon, onions, tomatoes, peppers, olives, green veg, cruciferous veg, chocolate, berries, some other fruits, nuts, etc. (And it would be very hard for me to leave my fat-adapted state eating these things.)
But whole grains simply aren't on the list. If I eat whole grains it's just because I want to and can without straying from my health goals. But there's not a thing in a whole grain that I need.
This post was edited on 8/25/18 at 7:52 am
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Posted on 8/25/18 at 8:01 am to StraightCashHomey21
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need the carbs for recovery and muscle growth
Bro.
Science.
Eta: I'm f'ing w you. That just sounded very bro.
Bottom line is, carbs are a tool. Use them properly. And how that's done varies person to person based on the factors I mentioned before (without exclusion).
I'm tweaking my dual-fuel system based on type of activity I'm doing. In a fat-adapted state, I can run a slow 30k fasted with nothing but an MCT shot, then eat fat and protein post (with incidental carbs) and fully recover quickly.
More intense and muscle-toning/building activity gets some carbs. My glucose shot (oral) 30 min before high-intensity and if long an interim one is doing the trick.
Eta2: here's a very good summary of carbs and performance. Simple and balanced.
LINK
Takeaway:
quote:
Low-carb or ketogenic diets can be a good choice for healthy people who are mostly exercising and lifting to stay healthy.
However, there is currently no solid evidence that they improve performance over higher-carb diets in athletes.
That being said, the research is still in its infancy, and some early results suggest that they can be a good choice for low-intensity exercise or ultra-endurance exercise.
At the end of the day, carb intake should be tailored to you as an individual.
This post was edited on 8/25/18 at 8:46 am
Posted on 8/25/18 at 8:50 am to McLemore
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No it's just reductionist and misguided.
The science behind ketosis is far from "bro." And a proper cycling or targeted ketogenic plan is far more beneficial for overall health, and--if you're properly adapted--for endurance and performance in balance with that overall health, than willy-nilly grain intake.
I’m not arguing against ketosis being real, bc it definitely is real.
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The vast majority of people out there don't need to concern themselves with stocking glycogen stores.
I'll stick with bro doctors such as Peter Attia, Stephen Phinney, Dom D'Agostino, and Jeff Volek, over the eat-whole-grain bro science on here.
That said, one can certainly still reap the benefits of beta-hydroxybuterate (which the post-caveman body and brain LOVE) while eating carbs--the amount depends on one's activity level, genetics, fat adaptation level, and time-restricted feeding.
But the idea that you neeeeed carbs is, ironically, the epitome of bro science.
Now, there are micronutrients that come w carbs that show some great benefits, so I eat them: turmeric, broccoli sprouts, cinnamon, onions, tomatoes, peppers, olives, green veg, cruciferous veg, chocolate, berries, some other fruits, nuts, etc. (And it would be very hard for me to leave my fat-adapted state eating these things.)
But whole grains simply aren't on the list. If I eat whole grains it's just because I want to and can without straying from my health goals. But there's not a thing in a whole grain that I need.
But their are some keto people using their own version of bro science to misinform others.
Read the rest of my post. I’ve clearly stated the average person doesn’t need a ton of
carbs.
Keto is great for general health for the average person
But if you do need those carbs, like some do who tax their body. Starting with whole grains is much better than the other crap out there.
For some the amount of fat required is just unsustainable and carbs are used in place
This post was edited on 8/25/18 at 8:52 am
Posted on 8/25/18 at 9:27 am to StraightCashHomey21
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But their are some keto people using their own version of bro science to misinform others.
Read the rest of my post. I’ve clearly stated the average person doesn’t need a ton of
carbs.
Keto is great for general health for the average person
But if you do need those carbs, like some do who tax their body. Starting with whole grains is much better than the other crap out there.
For some the amount of fat required is just unsustainable and carbs are used in place
Well said. I was reacting to the bro science part. There is plenty of keto bro science for sure.
(beer is my main carb source)
Posted on 8/25/18 at 9:30 am to StraightCashHomey21
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And getting your carbs from whole grains is a good start
Posted on 8/25/18 at 10:06 am to McLemore
Beer is why I busted my carb numbers last night 
Posted on 8/25/18 at 10:17 am to Powerman
It’s better than eating all that white and processed crap and there is only so much vegetables a person will eat.
They are not bad for you. But they don’t have much added value
They are not bad for you. But they don’t have much added value
This post was edited on 8/25/18 at 10:18 am
Posted on 8/25/18 at 11:43 am to StraightCashHomey21
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It’s better than eating all that white and processed crap and there is only so much vegetables a person will eat.
They are not bad for you. But they don’t have much added value
There is some debate that white bread might actually be better
Guess it depends on how seriously you take the whole lectin/leaky gut stuff
Posted on 8/25/18 at 11:50 am to Powerman
The only real white grain we eat in our house is jasmine rice
That and pancakes a couple times a week. Usually protein pancakes
For pasta we have pretty much completely moved to veggie noodles. I love me some zucchini noodles.
That and pancakes a couple times a week. Usually protein pancakes
For pasta we have pretty much completely moved to veggie noodles. I love me some zucchini noodles.
This post was edited on 8/25/18 at 11:52 am
Posted on 8/25/18 at 11:54 am to StraightCashHomey21
I actually prefer the veggie noodles now. Only time I cook rice is if I'm making gumbo for my Texas friends which is usually just football season
Posted on 8/25/18 at 11:59 am to Powerman
Yea I’ll have rice on days I’m doing one of the big three lifts and some serious conditioning
A majority of my carbs or from vegetables or wraps the rest the time
Or I’ll front load them at breakfast like today. 3 pancakes and a glass of OJ is around 100g right there
The rest of the day I might only consume 30-40. Mainly from vegetables and maybe a bowl of rice.
Of course I can frick it all up drinking beer tonight
A majority of my carbs or from vegetables or wraps the rest the time
Or I’ll front load them at breakfast like today. 3 pancakes and a glass of OJ is around 100g right there
The rest of the day I might only consume 30-40. Mainly from vegetables and maybe a bowl of rice.
Of course I can frick it all up drinking beer tonight
Posted on 8/25/18 at 5:46 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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For pasta we have pretty much completely moved to veggie noodles. I love me some zucchini noodles.
I just can't do it. I can maybe do the spaqhetti squash ones. Costco has some really good almost-zero-carb noodles that are perfect for soups. For an example of how a lot of media sources still just don't get it, check out this article about Oprah's new line of cauliflower pizza crusts:
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The four varieties in Oprah's new line include Supreme, Five Cheese, Fire Roasted Veggie, and Uncured Pepperoni. The most nutritious option is the Fire Roasted Veggie, which comes in at 280 calories per serving (1/5th of the entire pizza), 9 grams of overall fat, 3 grams of saturated fat, 4 grams of fiber, and impressive amounts of vitamin C.
Throughout the article, the focus is on fat, saturated fat, sodium and fiber. They literally do not list the carb content, which is essentially the only relevant metric if one is considering getting these instead of regular crust.
LINK
ETA:
34g of carbs per slice. This shite is almost as bad for you as real dough.
This post was edited on 8/25/18 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 8/25/18 at 6:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
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fat, saturated fat, sodium and fiber.
Lol. In order:
Eat more (non O6/trans)
Eat more from good sources
You probably need more, esp if you cut carbs
You probably need less, esp if you cut carbs
Up=down in mainstream nutritional info world.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 6:53 pm to McLemore
quote:From a website called health.com
Up=down in mainstream nutritional info world.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 7:20 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yea I’d like to see a cauliflower pizza more like 10g of carbs per slice
But when I eat pizza IDGAF and crush a whole cheese most the time
But that’s also post leg day when I’m squating heavy
But when I eat pizza IDGAF and crush a whole cheese most the time
But that’s also post leg day when I’m squating heavy
Posted on 8/25/18 at 10:16 pm to StraightCashHomey21
The statement that carbs are tools is the right approach. We don't need them and overall you are healthier, at least if done correctly, without them. But in the end they should be used for the following reasons
1) body comp specifically for muscle growth and filling the muscle.
2) performance when lifting heavy
3) complaince during fatloss phases
4) resetting leptin during fatloss phases
5) in rare cases wear one does not react well to being in ketosis
Honestly for number 1&2 should be timed around the workout.
For number 3&5, that's self explanatory, think iifym
For number four, keeping carbs around the lifting sessions and around 100g will keep leptin levels up much longer and keep performance up.
For 1,2,4 use the vertical diet approach of focusing on micronutrients first, use white rice or cyclic dextrine for the rest. read vertical diet here
1) body comp specifically for muscle growth and filling the muscle.
2) performance when lifting heavy
3) complaince during fatloss phases
4) resetting leptin during fatloss phases
5) in rare cases wear one does not react well to being in ketosis
Honestly for number 1&2 should be timed around the workout.
For number 3&5, that's self explanatory, think iifym
For number four, keeping carbs around the lifting sessions and around 100g will keep leptin levels up much longer and keep performance up.
For 1,2,4 use the vertical diet approach of focusing on micronutrients first, use white rice or cyclic dextrine for the rest. read vertical diet here
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 8:37 am
Posted on 8/26/18 at 6:09 pm to lsu777
quote:I basically view them as PED.
The statement that carbs are tools is the right approach. We don't need them and overall you are healthier, at least if done correctly, without them. But in the end they should be used for the following reasons
Posted on 8/26/18 at 6:27 pm to Big Scrub TX
that’s a good one All this keto cult you are on please tell me you a ripped at like 8% body fat, running 20min 5ks and your big three total is like 1200lb
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:30 am to StraightCashHomey21
He's not wrong. Calling a diet more in-line with paleolithic living a fad is pretty disingenuous as well.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 7:29 am to StraightCashHomey21
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All this keto cult you are on please tell me you a ripped at like 8% body fat, running 20min 5ks and your big three total is like 1200lb
You do realize that these aren't necessarily goals for everyone?
I'm not doing keto but it seems a bit silly to think that someone's view on diet is inferior if they aren't some body builder
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