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re: Your low carb diet is probably killing you

Posted on 8/17/18 at 11:05 pm to
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 11:05 pm to
DEXA is really the only sure fire way to get an accurate measurement.
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 11:43 pm to
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You can still keep your carbs around 80g

That’s still low carb by most standards. You can hit that by breakfast with a chopped banana in a cup of oatmeal, with milk. A normal healthy breakfast by traditional standards.

That’s only 320 cal from carbs. Most eat 3-4x that
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30961 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 11:52 pm to
Dexa is still operator dependent and can fluctuate with intake for the day.

Bodpod and inbody scan are really close to dexa in my experience. Dexa is still best but it's only useful to identify trends just like bodpod and inbody.
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9753 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 6:35 am to
I used an In Body. We have one at work. I’ll probably do it once a month until the end of the year to track my progress.

I just calculated my macros just Incase I decide to start counting.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125395 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 11:47 am to
quote:

That’s still low carb by most standards. You can hit that by breakfast with a chopped banana in a cup of oatmeal, with milk. A normal healthy breakfast by traditional standards.

That’s only 320 cal from carbs. Most eat 3-4x that


And that’s probably way to many carbs for the average persons daily needs
This post was edited on 8/18/18 at 4:56 pm
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167109 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 1:07 pm to
I have never done bodpod but have done inbody. Honestly it seemed about as accurate as the InnerScan scale I bought for $200 which is to say it's so-so.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31442 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

It's almost literally beside the point of health.



On that Attia podcast I posted, Dr Ron Krauss discussed his 5 criteria for metabolic disease and truncal obesity is on the list. Visceral fat means one has fat around his organs.

However, you are correct that the lack of visible visceral fat doesn't let one off the hook, as there are many people (especially various Asian subsets) who have fat around organs without obesity.

Anyway, that "study" isn't worthy of a rebuttal it's so ill-designed. Oh and the woman running the "study" is a vegan. So there's that--they're sort of like Muslims: not all radical lunatics with no basis in science, but burden of proving they aren't is on them.

I may come back with bullet points but it's one of these:
This post was edited on 8/18/18 at 1:47 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30961 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 2:15 pm to
I've compared dexa and inbody and I've hit the same bf% all 3 times I did it.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18409 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 3:46 pm to
If you manage your carbs the same way you do fat and sodium, you'll be fine.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162198 posts
Posted on 8/19/18 at 10:07 am to
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For most body fat loss has the most impact on health markers.... So it kind of his the point. It's not always true but many cases it is.

Sure

But in this particular case the guy went from 24 to 17

That's a lot different than going from 34 to 27

24 is still within a pretty healthy range
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30961 posts
Posted on 8/19/18 at 7:59 pm to
No doubt, was just pointing that out. I mean in the end no matter what diet you do, there has to be 80-90% compliance or you might as well not be on a diet.

I will be posting up some things here in the next week or so, slowly but surely on why protein should make up 50% or more of your diet, why whole foods are better than junk food even if calories are the same, etc.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162198 posts
Posted on 8/19/18 at 9:35 pm to
Looking forward to it. I've been trying to keep protein at right above 50 percent of calories. I find it tough to not overeat by trying to reach the gram per lb of body weight though.

Might need to go a little leaner on the proteins. Picked up some mahi mahi today.
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
39779 posts
Posted on 8/19/18 at 10:27 pm to
killing me less than smoking or dipping
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33354 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:30 pm to
A couple of high-quality takedowns of this ridiculous "study". We honestly should just stop reporting on epidemiological studies. It's only scientific in the most nominal sense:

LINK

LINK


Also, from one of those links, here's an interesting snippet and something to always keep in mind:

quote:

In 1977 the Senator McGovern committee issued some dietary goals for Americans (Ref 1). The first goal was “Increase carbohydrate consumption to account for 55 to 60 percent of the energy (caloric) intake.” This recommendation did not come from any evidence related to carbohydrate. It was the inevitable consequence of setting a dietary fat guideline of 30% with protein being fairly constant at 15%.


I'm almost literally amazed at the impact of that obscure bit of history. Just a few years after big sugar paid off Harvard to blame heart disease on saturated fat, we had the American government codifying a nearly wholesale restructuring of the American diet.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18887 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 6:48 pm to
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If you manage your carbs the same way you do fat and sodium, you'll be fine.

Enjoy your constant fatigue and grogginess.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18887 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:02 pm to
so they put 315 people who already had preexisting conditions in the low carb zone and stacked 6,000 people at mid carb zone who were already moderately healthy.

Folks, the people who were in the low carb portion of the study were there because they already had Type II Diabetes and still on average, they only lived four years less!

What a piece of shite headline.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162198 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:41 pm to
Not to mention the whole 144 g of carbs a day isn't even remotely considered low carb compared to what most people consume on low carb diets now

That would likely be too high to reap any of the benefits of a low carb diet
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33354 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 2:03 pm to
If you want a real howler, Nina Teicholz has tracked down a copy of the actual questionaire:

LINK

Yeah, I trust the average American to accurately fill out that monster, months in arrears.

Also, notice the last category: "Meat, sweets, baked goods, cereal, etc."
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33354 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:30 am to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33354 posts
Posted on 8/23/18 at 10:11 am to
Chris Kresser

quote:

Another term for agenda-driven bias is “confirmation bias.” This is defined by Wikipedia as “the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one’s existing beliefs or theories.”

Was this an issue in the Lancet paper? While we can’t be sure, it’s certainly a possibility. The paper was published by a research group that included Walter Willett, a physician and researcher at the Harvard School of Public Health who is notorious for his advocacy of a low-fat, plant-based diet. This alone is not necessarily cause to suspect confirmation bias.

However, in an unprecedented turn of events, Willett was censured in an editorial and feature article in the prestigious journal Nature for “promoting over-simplification of scientific results in the name of public health and engaging in unseemly behavior towards those who venture conclusions that differ to his.” (13)

Willett co-authored a study claiming to link aspartame with cancer, but the study was retracted by Harvard at the last minute because the data did not support that conclusion. Meanwhile, the damage had already been done by sensational media headlines like “Aspartame Causes Cancer.” Sound familiar?
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