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Keto - eating meat and effects on heart health

Posted on 8/14/18 at 6:39 pm
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 6:39 pm
So I started this 3 days ago wanted to go from lower 180s to upper 160s.
I want to wear a legit 32 dress pants again (with ease). Last week I was 33-34.

Well, I’m a bit concerned about my arteries given what I’ve been eating, but my step dad is convinced that ALL the doctors have always had it all wrong.
I’m always thinking the people who say that kind of stuff are fringe (step dad in this case).

So, PLEASE explain to me how my supper tonight was a healthy choice that promotes healthy living.

85/15 burger (cooked in butter in a skillet)
Shredded cheese
Two eggs cooked in the leftover burger-butter skillet
Two strips of bacon
A bit of mayo and mustard
Letttuce wrap

Literally zero carbs.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 9:30 pm
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
7163 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 6:43 pm to
I mean, eating some broccoli, spinach, arugula , avocado , etc in there wouldn't have killed you.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 6:47 pm to
It wasn't terrible but wasn't the best either. But perfectly fine in the context of health just not optimal.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
15077 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 6:48 pm to
If eating meat is bad for me, then I’m just going to die earlier than I should have.

The end
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39873 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 6:56 pm to
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Well, I’m a bit concerned about my arteries given what I’ve been eating,
You shouldn't be. At the very least, we know that ingested fat/cholesterol has little to no bearing on blood cholesterol and/or plaque. Seriously, internalize this and never look back. I know it will be hard given the insane level of orthodoxy that has been shoved down our throats over these past decades, but you can do it.

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ALL the doctors have always had it all wrong.
Well, some doctors have always had it all right. But you need to try to divorce this issue from "doctors". Doctors have very little nutrition requirement in med school - and the shite they are taught is mostly wrong to begin with. That leaves them in the exact same boat as you...except the vast majority of them are too hidebound and/or lazy to do their own research to keep current. I mean this literally - the 4 or 5 most knowledgeable lay people just on this board are infinitely more educated on the topic than whatever doctor you might have in mind.

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So, PLEASE explain to me how my supper tonight was a healthy choice that promotes healthy living.

85/15 burger (cooked in burger in a skillet)
Shredded cheese
Two eggs cooked in the leftover burger-butter skillet
Two strips of bacon
A bit of mayo and mustard
Letttuce wrap



I would have gone for an even fattier burger, but I declare it to be an excellent meal. With zero irony, I would describe this as "health food."

Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 7:10 pm to
I ate like that for 3.5 weeks. I shite like 2 times that whole experience. And those two times were awful.

Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24793 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 7:33 pm to
Yes of course. This is my first evening without a lot of greens. I was just really hungry and kind of shopped with my stomach (no breakfast and a fairly small 11:00 lunch).
So that’s my two meals for today. Just over 1,400 calories.
A glass of red and a square of dark chocolate will be my dessert when I finish mowing the lawn.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24793 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

I ate like that for 3.5 weeks. I shite like 2 times that whole experience. And those two times were awful.

how awful?
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:42 pm to
Wiping was like trying to get peanut butter out of shag carpet. Nasty gut rot the whole time.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 6:02 am
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9230 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:51 pm to


Must be that constipation...or the fact that your body was adjusting - I bet it as latter more than the former.

And I laugh because I know exactly what you are talking about.

To the OP - you are fine eating this way.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 9:53 pm
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182542 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:16 pm to
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So that’s my two meals for today. Just over 1,400 calories.


Thats tough. If I dont get at least 1800 I feel like crap in the gym the next day. I cut back on weekends and eat at least the 1800 on weekdays. Its slowed my weight loss down some but I feel better overall.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 11:16 pm
Posted by Mr. Elvert
Dallas
Member since Oct 2012
15328 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:48 pm to
quote:


I ate like that for 3.5 weeks. I shite like 2 times that whole experience. And those two times were awful


Similar experience. NEVER AGAIN
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22543 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:01 am to
quote:

Wiping was like trying to get peanut butter out of shag carpet. Nasty guy rot the whole time.




Brah I about coughed up my lungs laughing so hard. I know that one and it was perfect. Lol
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:08 am to
Simple processed carbohydrates are a far bigger driving force for chronic disease than meat for sure. The idea that all fat is bad and eggs are the worst food ever is dated, incorrect thinking. Dietary cholesterol has little effect on serum cholesterol, and the only fat that demonstrably effects cholesterol or triglyceride levels in any relevant way are trans fats.

To answer your question though, it depends on which meats predominate in your diet. A diet high in lean chicken, seafood and eggs is relatively healthy. You want to avoid meat that is fried, especially those with trans fats (think KFC chicken). Red meat should be eaten in moderation. And you’ll want to take a fiber supplement.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35334 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:24 am to
quote:

85/15 burger (cooked in butter in a skillet) 
Shredded cheese 
Two eggs cooked in the leftover burger-butter skillet 
Two strips of bacon 
A bit of mayo and mustard 
Letttuce wrap 

Literally zero carbs.


Your mayo probably sucks unless you made it yourself or bought a good brand that uses avocado or olive oil only. Inflammatory PUFA bomb.

I'm not sure that was a particularly keto meal either. Macros too skewed toward protein.

(Not to be pedantic but your meal wasn't literally no carb--but effectively yes.)

And to all you who somehow stopped yourselves up, I have literally never experienced that on HFLC. Ever. Whether I eat a giant ribeye and nothing else or eat lots of greens. I don't know what the hell you guys are doing. Probably too much protein like OP. (I'll let you do your own research on how overrated "getting lots of fiber" is, in the context of a HFLF diet.)

If you really want to learn about the heart and specifically hyperlipidemia and atheroscleros, I cite again Ron Krauss and Malcom Kendrick (different perspectives for sure and Krauss is in his own league). I posted Krauss's appearance on Peter Attia's The Drive podcast yesterday. Look it up and enjoy the ride.


Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:36 am to
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And to all you who somehow stopped yourselves up, I have literally never experienced that on HFLC. Ever.


Well that settles it then, should never happen.


To the OP, I think your meal was fine although I'm not sure how sustainable for most people. The best diet is one you can make a lifestyle. My advice, don't listen to people that call doctors idiots (ie Junk, Big Scrub). They are like religious zealots except against everything but meat.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35334 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:46 am to
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Well that settles it then, should never happen


If I'd wanted to say "it should never happen," then I would have.

I clearly didn't say that and cited my own experience.

And based on that experience and the experiences of the many people I know who eat HFLC and discuss with me any side effects, it is easily preventable on a properly formulated diet.

What's with the trolling dude?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63821 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:15 am to
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Well that settles it then, should never happen.


Well, to be honest, there's a Greek chorus in this thread of "oh yeah, me too" talking about how they experienced the same thing. I, myself, have not experienced that simply because of a meat heavy diet. Just another anecdote to add to the discussion.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39873 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 11:52 am to
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My advice, don't listen to people that call doctors idiots (ie Junk, Big Scrub). They are like religious zealots except against everything but meat.
Ridiculous and untrue. It is demonstrably accurate the most doctors don't know shite about nutrition science. Hell, nutrition science itself is a huge mess. The "average" doctor looks at the same blood markers that we now know are basically irrelevant, and then makes lazy suggestions in line with historical orthodoxy (eat less fat, take some lipitor, etc.)

I eat plenty of foods other than meat. The "religious zealotry" is on the anti-meat side, though. In this very thread, we have a doctor advising someone to opt for "lean chicken" over red meat. That is preposterously dated and bad advice. I would say in general that all mono-gastric animal meats are inferior to ruminants.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173800 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 12:12 pm to
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My advice, don't listen to people that call doctors idiots (ie Junk, Big Scrub).

They aren't idiots but they aren't particularly well versed in nutrition either
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