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re: Is keto best?

Posted on 5/15/18 at 9:13 am to
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 9:13 am to
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I am a fan of paleo. It is more of a philosophy. Keto is a diet.

This is a false dichotomy (and an inaccurate/unfair characterization), I assume based on some bad blogging and/or marketing.

The way I eat is very much a philosophy. I start with the premise that something is systemically wrong with the way we eat and work backward from there.

Another premise is that there have been 3 major step-changes in longevity: sanitation, major infant/birthing-mother mortality improvement and germ theory.

Nutrition and (relatedly, metabolism, genetics and epigenetics) are due to be the fourth step-change.

Studying metabolism and looking to history for clues on the diseases our diets may be contributing to or even causing, and then applying the scientific method to study those clues through biochemistry etc, forms the basis of my philosophy, along with analyzing WHY we've gotten it so wrong lately (combination of desperation, ignorance, greed, corruption, etc).

I also self-experiment. The results are undeniable, and I've done these tests under vegan, raw, SAD, and "clean" diets. I think a strict Paleo and my basic keto diet would render about the same results re: a lot of metrics.

But whatever way of eating I follow, I want to have the benefits of running off of beta-hydroxybuterate without having to readapt. So that's how my philosophy of eating is tuned.

Also, staying fat adapted and even remaining in nutritional ketosis is not difficult unless you want to eat out the majority of the time. It would get very tedious under those circumstances.

But, if you work in regular exercise and maybe intermittent fasting and try at least lazily to stick with the basic macros (which I haven't counted or calculated in ages--i now just do occasional blood ketone tests under various circumstances to tweak how I eat), then there is a lot of leeway in diet.

My wife, other family, and friends have also compiled a pretty badass collection of recipes and grocery lists that have really removed any nostalgia for the carb days.

Beer is my only real weakness, for which there is no substitute (although if you call Miller Lite "beer" then it's fairly low carb per ABV)--I prefer the occasional Bell's Two Hearted 6-pack and just work it off.

Example of my "diet": I'm about to break my 16-hr fast with a low-carb pancake (almond/flax/coconut flour based + eggs and various fats) w fiber syrup loaded with grass-fed butter, uncured bacon, avocado smothered in olive oil, more coffee (i prefer it black, but I have been doing a chai sort of thing for fat and cinnamon intake: 1/2 teaspoon of Ceylon (important) cinnamon, Milkadamia, coffee and cacao + MCT if I'm going to be super active), and eggs (maybe a veggie and cheese omelette).

I make the pancake batter in about 5 mins on a weekend day and save as a treat for week. This is not a staple but a great substitute, and tastes better than flour pancakes to me.

I also eat more veggies than I did under other "diets." They are great good-fat delivery devices (usually my way of loading up on olive oil).

Getting enough fat and properly limiting protein (to mimic peoples like the Inuits) takes some finesse in our SAD environment, but it isn't any more a "diet" than any other way of eating. It's a lifestyle choice. And the benefits so exponentially outweigh the costs that I can't even imagine going back to high carbs.

And, just wait until the research on beta-hydroxybuterate really gets kicking.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39849 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 1:59 pm to
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So if I eat 3 lbs of steak and drink a bunch of heavy cream every day it's fine because they're "the right foods?"
No, but even then you don't have to count calories. Just eat less steak and drink less cream if you find you are gaining/not losing weight.

My philosophy now is that there is no need for exactitude in almost any of these areas of health maintenance. This includes:

water - don't worry about how many ounces per day you drink; rather, just drink when you're thirsty!

food - don't worry about calories; just eat low carb when you're hungry and to satiety

exercise - don't worry about keeping scrupulous track of reps/weight/etc. Just do some body-weigh exercises (push ups, pull ups, etc.) 3 or 4 times a week for 15 minutes or so

blood work - don't worry about all these metrics. If you are eating right, then you will know if something very bad is wrong with you without having to get blood work.

and so on and so forth
This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 2:01 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173618 posts
Posted on 5/15/18 at 4:40 pm to
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So if I eat 3 lbs of steak and drink a bunch of heavy cream every day it's fine because they're "the right foods?"



Fattening foods tend to be more filling

You'd be making yourself uncomfortably full in the above scenario
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7791 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 7:46 pm to
IF slightly better than keto, and easier to maintain long-term. Everyone is different. Figure out what works best for you and rock it.
Posted by SouthTiger504
Member since Sep 2014
1163 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 12:35 pm to
Doing Keto and Intermittent fasting I’ve lost over 80lbs. Started at 275, currently 194 at 5’11

75 lbs in 5 months with about a month plateau in the middle. April was basically a cheat month that put me back at 200lbs but I’m now back to 194.

I’m not really paying much attention to fat intake. Just restricting my diet to no carbs and no sugar.

I eat a lot of salad with low fat ranch, grilled chicken, rotisserie chicken, broccoli, kale, cauliflower, tons of eggs, cheese. Occasionally eat sausage, steak, or steak fajitas without the tortilla.

LINK

Proof above, 11/1 - 3/22 lost 75lbs

Only gained back 6 lbs during my cheat month of April where I ate tons of crawfish, entire large pizzas in one sitting and drank loads of beer.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted by Vastmind
B Ara
Member since Sep 2013
5322 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:50 pm to
Yes. Not all calories are the same so running a simple calorie deficit is bad advice.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38022 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:25 pm to
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Yes. Not all calories are the same so running a simple calorie deficit is bad advice.


I calorie is a unit of measurement of energy, by definition a calorie is a calorie.

Now I will leave the key circle jerk to let y'all spew BS as usual.
Posted by Vastmind
B Ara
Member since Sep 2013
5322 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:43 pm to
Obesity is a metabolic disorder. Insulin is the primary storage hormone of the body. If you dont stimulate it, then you don’t store fat. Ask yourself, science man, which macro causes the release of insulin?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 7:58 am to
Thinking about giving Keto a shot, trying to shed 5-8 pounds before i head to Vegas next month. Only place i really have fat to loose is in the mid section.

Used one of those sites to come up with suggested numbers for it.

It said my split should be 75% fat, 20% protein and 5% carbs. With roughly 2700 calories a day

I feel with the way i train 5% carbs wont be nearly enough, which is roughly 30g a day. SO basically a cup of rice or a banana.

Has anyone done a split like 65% fat 25% protein and 10% carbs. I feel that would be more suited for my training style.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 8:02 am
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:44 pm to
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Obesity is a metabolic disorder. Insulin is the primary storage hormone of the body. If you dont stimulate it, then you don’t store fat. Ask yourself, science man, which macro causes the release of insulin?



You can get fat on keto. You don't need insulin to store fat. In fact, when you're in ketosis your body actually stores a lot more fat. It also burns a lot more fat in general because you're fat-adapted.

LINK

I suggest watching the whole series. Layne Norton is pumping out TONS of great info on his channel.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 12:47 pm
Posted by jennyjones
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2006
9963 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:26 pm to
Im a fan of carb cycling diets. Regardless of the scientific reasons behind it, at the end of the day it works "best" for me and my lifestyle
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39849 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:19 pm to
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I feel with the way i train 5% carbs wont be nearly enough, which is roughly 30g a day. SO basically a cup of rice or a banana.
This is the part you have to get past. Your body is meant to be powered by fat. If you think you need more calories, then eat more fat or protein. You DO NOT NEED CARBS to train. Your body literally has zero requirement for ingested carbs.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:35 pm to
Depends on what kind of training and what kind of performance you're looking for. You can do high intensity training on keto, but you'll be missing a gear that glycogen provides in explosive movements.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39849 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:51 pm to
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Depends on what kind of training and what kind of performance you're looking for. You can do high intensity training on keto, but you'll be missing a gear that glycogen provides in explosive movements.
Meh. I get that ultra-high-performance athletes might need a PED to get that extra elite gear. It's highly unlikely the average Joe needs to worry about such a thing.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:56 pm to
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This is the part you have to get past. Your body is meant to be powered by fat. If you think you need more calories, then eat more fat or protein. You DO NOT NEED CARBS to train. Your body literally has zero requirement for ingested carbs.




please spare me the bullshite

going all out keto while doing legit strength and conditioning is not going to give you optimal performance

My avg training week consist of power lifting, Olympic lifting, tons of accessory work, multiple 3-5 mile runs, sprints, body weight work outs and some crossfit work outs.

If anything if i decide to give keto a shot i will tailor my training for a couple weeks to lower the intensity.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 7:00 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173618 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 7:47 pm to
What are you training for?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:26 pm to
Life

No for real i want to give special operations one more shot
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38022 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:49 pm to
Dude there is so much bullshite in here from people that don't have a clue like the guys saying you have to have insulin to store fat, yet the macronutrient "fat" is the easiest macro to store as body fat even when not in the presence of insulin when in a caloric surplus.

But straight cash keto has its place as it, like IF, tends to cause blood flow to areas like the stomach on men where blood flow is one of the problems with loosing fat. If you want to go keto, have at it, I highly highly suggest you listen to somebody that has the same kind of performance and aesthics aspirations as you do. I suggest googling the get shredded diet by dr. John Bernardi. It was posted on that job and is a very good but hard diet for aesthetics purposes. Use the macro percentages and those guidelines and you will have the success you are looking for.

Listen to the guys in here and you will be skinny fat and weak in no time. Bunch of guys majoring in the minors over here worrying about every little thing and not doing shite.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173618 posts
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:58 am to
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Life

No for real i want to give special operations one more shot

That's awesome

Just wondering because the routine didn't sound like one for just general health.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:28 am to
For now I'm just going to try and keep my carbs around 80-100g a day and increase my fats with avocados on my wraps and dishes.

Then go from there.
This post was edited on 6/5/18 at 9:30 am
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