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re: Is keto best?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:37 pm to Junky
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:37 pm to Junky
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This statement right here never sits well with me. Too restrictive. No it isn't, most people are addicted nutrient poor foods.
I don't eat sugar, but I'm not huge on fatty meats. I only eat meat and green vegetables, but I prefer lean pork, chicken, or tuna and I don't love cheese or creams. Those steaks look good, but if I ate one I wouldn't want another one for a couple of weeks. You're just ignorant if you can't understand that.
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:41 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:That is indeed unfortunate.
I don't love cheese or creams
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Those steaks look good, but if I ate one I wouldn't want another one for a couple of weeks.
That too.
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green vegetables
There's going to be a lot of evidence uncovered in coming years that veggies aren't that great for you - and possibly actively bad.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:47 pm to Big Scrub TX
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That is indeed unfortunate
Not really. The difference between me and you is if you are good with what you eat and reaching your goals ans/or staying healthy I'm good with it and happy for you. You think if someone isn't exactly like you they are wrong and stupid. You are a hard headed and ignorant a-hole.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:59 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:WTF? I was agreeing with you, jerk. Forget about labeling it as a diet. I legit feel bad that you don't like steak enough to eat it more often than every few weeks. I eat red meat probably 10 times per week, each time with great anticipation. Same thoughts for cheese/cream. Lighten up, Nelson. And stop putting words in my mouth - I never said "wrong or stupid". I said unfortunate. And I stand by that.
Not really. The difference between me and you is if you are good with what you eat and reaching your goals ans/or staying healthy I'm good with it and happy for you. You think if someone isn't exactly like you they are wrong and stupid. You are a hard headed and ignorant a-hole.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:59 pm to Junky
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This statement right here never sits well with me. Too restrictive. No it isn't, most people are addicted nutrient poor foods.
Excuse me. Too restrictive for my tastes
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You could literally stuff yourself as much as you could of the foods below and be perfectly fine but damnit if I can't have my sugar crutch.
I try to eat as little "added" sugar as possible and don't eat anything with grains. I'm not trying to stuff myself with junk carbs like cereal.
However I do actively add some food with carbs like bananas and strawberries to my diet. I like them and they do have some nutritional value beyond just the sugar.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
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There's going to be a lot of evidence uncovered in coming years that veggies aren't that great for you - and possibly actively bad.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
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There's going to be a lot of evidence uncovered in coming years that veggies aren't that great for you - and possibly actively bad.
um not true at all
if anything veggies are neutral
but not eating them is depriving you of micronutrients
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:11 pm to Hulkklogan
You should follow her on Twitter, she's been doing a lot of work comparing vegetables to meat.
Dr. Ede
It really isn't clear at all that vegetables are beneficial. It seems likely that they are, at best, unnecessary. Almost all of the mainstream veggies that we have been harangued to eat copious amounts of have only existed for about 1500 years. It's hard to believe, then, that our bodies require them.
I mean, we know almost for certain that the stated micro-nutrients in them are not accurate if you account for actual bio-availability of those nutrients. And don't get me started on the absurdity of fiber.
Dr. Ede
It really isn't clear at all that vegetables are beneficial. It seems likely that they are, at best, unnecessary. Almost all of the mainstream veggies that we have been harangued to eat copious amounts of have only existed for about 1500 years. It's hard to believe, then, that our bodies require them.
I mean, we know almost for certain that the stated micro-nutrients in them are not accurate if you account for actual bio-availability of those nutrients. And don't get me started on the absurdity of fiber.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:29 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I believe that "keto" (I don't even really like calling it that) is the healthiest way to eat. I define "healthy" as "promoting disease-free longevity". I imagine there's very few people who don't want to maximize that outcome. I view weight-loss as merely a friendly by-product of eating "keto".
I would 100% agree with you on this. I do believe strict keto is the healthiest way to eat.
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As it pertains to weight-lifting, my point is that any outcomes in that domain that are "sub-optimal" will still clearly be good enough (I would argue that the average person wouldn't even notice the difference;
This I can't agree with and I say that if the person actually understands how to get the most out of the lifting and actually cares about getting bigger and stronger. For those lifting for only health, i actually do agree with you.
and yes many times it comes off as you are saying keto is the best for everything.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:54 pm to lsu777
If you aren't lifting for health and you aren't an actual athlete then what exactly are you lifting for?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:57 pm to Powerman
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you aren't lifting for health and you aren't an actual athlete then what exactly are you lifting for?
Are you talking about competition? I think you really over simplified what you are trying to say. Aesthetics would be a primary reason. You aren't any healthier for having larger arms.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:59 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
Yea you can have great aesthetics and be unhealthy as frick.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:10 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Aesthetics would be a primary reason. You aren't any healthier for having larger arms.
But you can get big arms or a more muscular physique without having an "optimal performance" nutrition plan.
If you're just doing it for aesthetics why the need for performance? Is it just a matter of trying to get there faster?
I totally get the aesthetics thing although I think some people do it to the point where they look stupid. A few guys I see at the gym have these massive arms and they aren't really proportioned well at all.
Not that my fat arse has much room to talk but I think at some point you have to say "I'm big enough, let's just maintain this"
Posted on 6/6/18 at 4:06 pm to Powerman
many like myself want lift for performance, aesthetics, and health.
and you can be plenty healthy without doing keto.
and you can be plenty healthy without doing keto.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 4:47 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:It might actually be the norm.
Yea you can have great aesthetics and be unhealthy as frick.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 4:48 pm to lsu777
quote:You can. To use a blunt analogy, you can also be plenty alive not wearing your seat belt. Certainly you believe keto shifts the distribution of health outcomes the most in your favor, right?
and you can be plenty healthy without doing keto.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 4:51 pm to lsu777
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many like myself want lift for performance, aesthetics, and health.
and you can be plenty healthy without doing keto.
I think you can be plenty healthy without doing keto as well
But you actually said that you think keto and paleo are best for overall health
Why would you not want to do one of those if you really believe that? Do the marginal performance gains really mean enough to where you would sacrifice actual health?
I'm not anywhere near healthy, just trying to find the logic here.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 6:00 pm to Powerman
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Why would you not want to do one of those if you really believe that? Do the marginal performance gains really mean enough to where you would sacrifice actual health?
Short answer, absolutely.
Long answer, the performance and aesthetic benefits are not marginal. Also keto is restrictive in itself even though I like to eat that awayost of the time. Also because I do like to eat that away it is very easy for me to over eat negating the health benefits.
In the end I prefer to eat lower carb except for meso cycles where I am trying to gain as much muscle as possible. But I don't want to go full keto as I do enough things to be healthy, not gonna over do it, I am only 35 and in good health.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 6:07 pm to lsu777
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Also keto is restrictive in itself even though I like to eat that awayost of the time. Also because I do like to eat that away it is very easy for me to over eat negating the health benefits.
But, but, but, but it's not restrictive for Janky so how is restrictive to you? I learned that everyone likes the same things today.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 6:08 pm to lsu777
quote:I myself don't eat "full keto" (at least I don't think I do). However, I don't tell myself that that is to my benefit. I just accept the risk of having a marginally less healthy diet. It seems almost certain that zero carbs would be the healthiest lifestyle of all - I'm just not going to do it.
But I don't want to go full keto as I do enough things to be healthy, not gonna over do it, I am only 35 and in good health.
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