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My two negative talking points Re: Dave Aranda
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:08 am
Disclosure: I like Dave Aranda, I trust Dave Aranda more than any defensive minded coaching prospect out there.
But for all the “Napier is one of us talk”, Aranda is the only coaching prospect on here that escapes being talked about negatively. So here it is:
1) Took over an 11-3 program, where the coach was poached, not fired, and went 2-7 in Y1, by a combined score of 131-218.
My thoughts; yes, the Covid year was tough on first time head coaches taking over programs,, but you compare say what Aranda did, to Lane Kiffin(who took over for a fired coach, in a much tougher conference), and you must ask how much further hiring an offensive minded coach goes. More of that in point 2.
Ole Miss, in a year, immediately went from 4-8 to 5-5, and being in every single game.
Scoring offense went from 82—>14th nationally,
Matt Corral has developed from a 59% passing turnover machine, to a Heisman finalist. Just some food for thought
2) Aranda Coach O’d his first year offensive coordinator choice, firing Larry Fedora (as well as LSU’s Jorge Munoz) after one year.
The perils of hiring a defensive minded coach is that you have to nail the offensive coordinator hire. Outside of Nick Saban, who obviously gets the best players, is there another defensive coach that does this consistently & fields championship level teams? If so, let’s talk.
My fear for Aranda, much like Alabama, is LSU will ge used consistently as a stepping stone for OCs. Now that isn’t a bad thing if you nail every single hire, but Aranda proved out the gate that he wasn’t ready for that. He is just in his second year, so I am not saying he will always fail at that, but who really knows?
People say hire Grimes, or bring in Tom Herman. Which looks great for next year. But what about in 2024 or 2025? These guys are gone by then. 1 or two years & the door is revolving again. This is the SEC. it’s not as forgiving as it is at Baylor. You have to nail this consistently as Coach O has shown.
Riley, Kiffin, even Napier, you have the foundation on offense to always be one step ahead of this. Continuity, teaching a lasting philosophy throughout each class that does not change, & having players buy in.
But for all the “Napier is one of us talk”, Aranda is the only coaching prospect on here that escapes being talked about negatively. So here it is:
1) Took over an 11-3 program, where the coach was poached, not fired, and went 2-7 in Y1, by a combined score of 131-218.
My thoughts; yes, the Covid year was tough on first time head coaches taking over programs,, but you compare say what Aranda did, to Lane Kiffin(who took over for a fired coach, in a much tougher conference), and you must ask how much further hiring an offensive minded coach goes. More of that in point 2.
Ole Miss, in a year, immediately went from 4-8 to 5-5, and being in every single game.
Scoring offense went from 82—>14th nationally,
Matt Corral has developed from a 59% passing turnover machine, to a Heisman finalist. Just some food for thought
2) Aranda Coach O’d his first year offensive coordinator choice, firing Larry Fedora (as well as LSU’s Jorge Munoz) after one year.
The perils of hiring a defensive minded coach is that you have to nail the offensive coordinator hire. Outside of Nick Saban, who obviously gets the best players, is there another defensive coach that does this consistently & fields championship level teams? If so, let’s talk.
My fear for Aranda, much like Alabama, is LSU will ge used consistently as a stepping stone for OCs. Now that isn’t a bad thing if you nail every single hire, but Aranda proved out the gate that he wasn’t ready for that. He is just in his second year, so I am not saying he will always fail at that, but who really knows?
People say hire Grimes, or bring in Tom Herman. Which looks great for next year. But what about in 2024 or 2025? These guys are gone by then. 1 or two years & the door is revolving again. This is the SEC. it’s not as forgiving as it is at Baylor. You have to nail this consistently as Coach O has shown.
Riley, Kiffin, even Napier, you have the foundation on offense to always be one step ahead of this. Continuity, teaching a lasting philosophy throughout each class that does not change, & having players buy in.
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:12 am to Lester Earl
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The perils of hiring a defensive minded coach is that you have to nail the offensive coordinator hire. Outside of Nick Saban, who obviously gets the best players, is there another defensive coach that does this consistently & fields championship level teams? If so, let’s talk.
Kirby Smart fields championship level teams consistently.
Offensive minds are also FAR more common these days so it’s easy to luck into one like your boy Ed.
Also trying to compare Napier to those other offensive minds in your post is hilarious.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 11:14 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:14 am to Lester Earl
I’m not disagreeing with your summary of Aranda’s first year but you must remember he was hired near the end of LSU’s championship run. So he had to prep for the playoffs, title game and then immediately afterward get on a plane to Baylor.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:15 am to Lester Earl
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The perils of hiring a defensive minded coach is that you have to nail the offensive coordinator hire.
This goes both ways. If you have an offensive minded coach then they need to nail the DC hire all the time.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:15 am to Lester Earl
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The perils of hiring a defensive minded coach is that you have to nail the offensive coordinator hire
You have to nail the other coordinator hire no matter what the specialty is for the head coach, this makes no sense
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:19 am to Lester Earl
Its no use. This place is a shitshow. So much shite is based on who wins the weekend before. As soon as Napier and Aranda lose a game both of them will be off the watchlist
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:21 am to Lester Earl
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People say hire Grimes, or bring in Tom Herman. Which looks great for next year. But what about in 2024 or 2025? These guys are gone by then. 1 or two years & the door is revolving again. This is the SEC. it’s not as forgiving as it is at Baylor. You have to nail this consistently as Coach O has shown. Riley, Kiffin, even Napier, you have the foundation on offense to always be one step ahead of this. Continuity, teaching a lasting philosophy throughout each class that does not change, & having players buy in.
Meh. Six of one, half dozen of the other. The issue is the CEO model, not having a coach who can always handle one side of the ball. We’ve seen Riley not win championships before while getting to the doorstep. Why? Because he didn’t have a defense. It goes both ways. No matter which side a guy specializes in, he will always have to nail the other hire. A great offense can’t cover a terrible defense any more than the other way around.
The bottom line is, Aranda nailed the fix. That says more to me than botching the first hire with a guy he had never worked with before. He didn’t do what O did after it didn’t work out, either. He didn’t make a reactionary swing and miss. He found the right guy and it made all the difference. That shows fast adaptability and decisiveness, both great traits for a head coach early in their career at the top spot.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:25 am to Lester Earl
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1) Took over an 11-3 program, where the coach was poached, not fired, and went 2-7 in Y1, by a combined score of 131-218.
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My thoughts; yes, the Covid year was tough on first time head coaches taking over programs,, but you compare say what Aranda did, to Lane Kiffin(who took over for a fired coach, in a much tougher conference), and you must ask how much further hiring an offensive minded coach goes. More of that in point 2.
Still not sure anyone should take anything from 2020 seriously. I understand everybody had to deal with it, but everybody was also impacted differently at times. It was just a weird season. I say this for any coach who did bad or good.
I agree with your 2nd point. I rather LSU have a QB guru HC and not have to worry about replacing offenses. I like to see LSU always have good QB play and attract the best QBs.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:25 am to Lester Earl
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The perils of hiring a defensive minded coach is that you have to nail the offensive coordinator hire.
Let's hire Les. He played offense in college.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:29 am to Lester Earl
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Riley, Kiffin, even Napier, you have the foundation on offense
Riley and Kiffin sure but idk about Napier. His offense just doesn’t really wow me. I feel like every time I’ve watched them they struggle in the red zone and tend to get cute on third down. I wouldn’t hate it but not as enthusiastic as the other 2 and their schemes. And i don’t really want Kiffin at all but his offense is much better than nap.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 11:30 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:29 am to Lester Earl
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My thoughts; yes, the Covid year was tough on first time head coaches taking over programs
I thought Baylor had some pretty ridiculous covid protocols and it was understood to be a reason for the record.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:34 am to Lester Earl
There are some legitimate real concerns about Aranda leading a program like LSU that this board just completely ignores.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:38 am to Lester Earl
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My fear for Aranda, much like Alabama, is LSU will ge used consistently as a stepping stone for OCs. Now that isn’t a bad thing if you nail every single hire, but Aranda proved out the gate that he wasn’t ready for that. He is just in his second year, so I am not saying he will always fail at that, but who really knows?
People say hire Grimes, or bring in Tom Herman. Which looks great for next year. But what about in 2024 or 2025? These guys are gone by then. 1 or two years & the door is revolving again. This is the SEC. it’s not as forgiving as it is at Baylor. You have to nail this consistently as Coach O has shown.
Riley, Kiffin, even Napier, you have the foundation on offense to always be one step ahead of this. Continuity, teaching a lasting philosophy throughout each class that does not change, & having players buy in.
Lester, you won’t like to hear this, but we’re on the exact same page with the priority for this hire.
I don’t know if you’re a Napier supporter or not, but just based on your reply in the other Napier thread, can I ask if you think Napier truly brings the offensive pedigree to have that side of the ball locked down the way true innovators like Riley or Kiffin would?
I just don’t see it. I know he’s “from that side of the ball”, but I don’t see the real philosophy that assures LSU will be on the cutting edge of offense, and certainly don’t see any QB resume, under Napier.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:01 pm to Lester Earl
Devils advocate here @ your second point, what if you have a HC who handles the Offensive side of the ball he will forever need to nail his DC position as well. Correct ? Whom do you have in mind that has proven to do this ? I mean your take was @DA Just asking your take it’s free
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:03 pm to Lester Earl
I think you add that in with him only being a head coach for almost two years and that's probably why Woody has him down the list. Woody goes after guys who have a longer track record as HC, just his style.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:10 pm to Lester Earl
Uh huh, so you say Riley over what you see in Dave. How long has Riley been the HC at OU? When has he fielded a championship D ?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:13 pm to Lester Earl
Lester, you coach in the now, and you trust your coach to make good hires in the future.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:50 pm to Lester Earl
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but you compare say what Aranda did, to Lane Kiffin(who took over for a fired coach, in a much tougher conference), and you must ask how much further hiring an offensive minded coach goes. More of that in point 2.
stop making so much sense
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
Well thought out analysis.
ETA: but I am of the HC being a defensive guru first.
ETA: but I am of the HC being a defensive guru first.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:55 pm to Lester Earl
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1) Took over an 11-3 program, where the coach was poached, not fired, and went 2-7 in Y1, by a combined score of 131-218.
1) The Baylor roster was depleted after 2019. Just like LSU's roster. A lot of players left for the draft or were seniors.
2) Aranda was named coach on Jan 16, 2020. Publicly announced on Jan 20, 2020. When was signing day for 2020 recruits?
3) Rhule left a 50th ranked recruiting class on his way out of the door. His previous classes: 40, 29, 35, 50.
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