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Not Enough Research of the Protection Levels of Natural Immunity of Infection
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:55 am
Looking through article after article and document after document on line, it appears every article on natural immunity has this statement attached in some form or fashion.
This virus has been around for over 1.5yrs. The US currently has 3 vaccines in circulation that have received enough testing and evaluation to come to a conclusion that they provide effective protection against serious issues related to Covid. Yet in that same amount of time, the medical community has not come to any conclusion on the effectiveness of natural immunity? Does that seem odd to anyone?
The medical community can give an efficacy value for each type of vaccine for both preventing serious illness and preventing infection of varies strains but they have come to NO CONCLUSION about what type of protection natural immunity provides?
What are the holdups? Why can they figure out the efficacy of the vaccines so quickly but not natural immunity?
This virus has been around for over 1.5yrs. The US currently has 3 vaccines in circulation that have received enough testing and evaluation to come to a conclusion that they provide effective protection against serious issues related to Covid. Yet in that same amount of time, the medical community has not come to any conclusion on the effectiveness of natural immunity? Does that seem odd to anyone?
The medical community can give an efficacy value for each type of vaccine for both preventing serious illness and preventing infection of varies strains but they have come to NO CONCLUSION about what type of protection natural immunity provides?
What are the holdups? Why can they figure out the efficacy of the vaccines so quickly but not natural immunity?
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 11:55 am
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:56 am to STEVED00
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What are the holdups? Why can they figure out the efficacy of the vaccines so quickly but not natural immunity?
Because there is no financial incentive to conduct such a study.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:00 pm to STEVED00
For one thing, calibrating the viral load each person received. How the hell do you determine that?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:01 pm to STEVED00
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Why can they figure out the efficacy of the vaccines so quickly but not natural immunity?
Frankly, for this sort of virus, robust and long standing resistance for future infections is sort of presumed until data suggests otherwise.
I want to say that's the harmless answer as to why no research, but the realist in me knows it is because there is literally no money in such research.
I'm a die hard capitalist, but this is one of its weaknesses - take out the profit motive from anything and it tends to just fall by the wayside.
Sort of like our haphazard system tends to incentivize bad/risky financial decisions by bailing folks out of them - and this goes from billionaires all the way down to the street. Perverse incentivization gets you more of the problem you were trying to solve.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:12 pm to STEVED00
I think the problem is that there are likely a lot of false positive tests out there, so you can't really study the effectiveness of prior infection if you can't be sure who was really infected.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:18 pm to STEVED00
they will pivot to this research eventually (1-2 years)
then big pharma will promote therapeutics
then the same vaccine sheep will switch narratives
then big pharma will promote therapeutics
then the same vaccine sheep will switch narratives
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:45 pm to STEVED00
I will find out here shortly. Had Covid last august and was exposed last Wednesday. Today is day 5 and I am scheduled to get another Covid test in 15 minutes.
Have zero systems on day 5. Last time at day 3 I had a fever and by day 5 I had leg/hip pains.
But what does the vaccine give I that natural immunity doesn’t…… history should tell you natural immunity is better the vaccine based immunity.
Have zero systems on day 5. Last time at day 3 I had a fever and by day 5 I had leg/hip pains.
But what does the vaccine give I that natural immunity doesn’t…… history should tell you natural immunity is better the vaccine based immunity.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:47 pm to STEVED00
Also go look at the axle and Clinic study. Said natural immunity was slightly higher (within margin of error) the vaccine immunity
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:55 pm to STEVED00
If non-vaccinated people were getting reinfected at a high rate, you would 100% be hearing about it in tge media. The fact that the number isn't being reported leads me to believe it's sub 1%
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:58 pm to STEVED00
quote:They are fully aware that prior infections offers significant protection.
The medical community can give an efficacy value for each type of vaccine for both preventing serious illness and preventing infection of varies strains but they have come to NO CONCLUSION about what type of protection natural immunity provides?
They are afraid people will have COVID parties if they make that information known. So they hide behind "we don't know".
Just like when Fauci "lied" about masks not working in March of last year. He claims he "lied" on purpose to keep the public from making a run on masks. They are more than happy to admit they will lie to you to "keep you safe™". (The reality of masks is that they have known all along they don't work, they are using masks to shift the blame from them fricking up the initial response last year. So instead of them looking bad, you will now blame your neighbor.)
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:12 pm to STEVED00
Natural immunity is free.
The government also is not able to track it.
The government also is not able to track it.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:50 pm to STEVED00
This is not exactly what you're looking for, but the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report recently reported a study out of Kentucky addressing whether getting vaccinated after having had covid provides extra protection from a second infection. They found:
See https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7032e1-H.pdf. You can download a PDF of the study from that page.
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Although laboratory evidence suggests that antibody responses following COVID-19 vaccination provide better neutralization of some circulating variants than does natural infection (1,2), few real-world epidemiologic studies exist to support the benefit of vaccination for previously infected persons. This report details the findings of a case-control evaluation of the association between vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 reinfection in Kentucky during May–June 2021 among persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020. Kentucky residents who were not vaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated (odds ratio [OR] = 2.34; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.58–3.47). These findings suggest that among persons with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, full vaccination provides additional protection against reinfection.
See https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7032e1-H.pdf. You can download a PDF of the study from that page.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:58 pm to STEVED00
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The medical community can give an efficacy value for each type of vaccine for both preventing serious illness and preventing infection of varies strains
In fairness, this is an experiment they can “control,” whereas the natural immunity thing is not/would be far more difficult.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 3:07 pm to STEVED00
Has this already been posted? No point vaccinating those who’ve had COVID-19: Cleveland Clinic study suggests
Posted on 8/16/21 at 3:12 pm to STEVED00
Corruption is the simple answer. The smart ones know what natural immunity exists, but they are paid off to ignore it.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 4:29 pm to STEVED00
I read a study last week about the effectiveness of vaccines vs the Delta variant, they included natural immunity. Their conclusions: 1 shot = no real efficacy, 2 shots give around equal resistance as natural immunity.
Of course this all means jack squat as the real issue (at least to me) is long-term impacts. We can't know about issues which may arise in 5-7 years because the vaccines haven't even existed for 2 years yet (although they are in well over 100M people in the US alone).
Of course this all means jack squat as the real issue (at least to me) is long-term impacts. We can't know about issues which may arise in 5-7 years because the vaccines haven't even existed for 2 years yet (although they are in well over 100M people in the US alone).
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:12 pm to STEVED00
Awesome! Another Covid thread in the OT!
Posted on 8/16/21 at 6:29 pm to STEVED00
An MD's sister in law self treated with HCQ and zinc well in 5 days. 65+, very obese, DIABETES, hypertension. T Cell assay shows she has plenty of B & T cells to make enough antibodies for covid. Yes it is scientifically known about natural immunity being as good if not better
Anyone who thinks just an antibody assay is good enough well, they will be gone in 6 months or so.
Anyone who thinks just an antibody assay is good enough well, they will be gone in 6 months or so.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:13 pm to STEVED00
It doesn’t fit the narrative. The only thing that can save you is the government.
One problem, nature knows better. Natural immunity is approximately 7.5 times more effective than vaccines. Isreal took the time and did the study.
Natural immunity is immunity to the whole virus, vaccines only target a piece of the virus.
Anyone that wants you to believe a paper mask can protect you should never be believed.
Listen and pay attention, they are not hiding their lies, they’re just waving a shiny object in the other hand.
One problem, nature knows better. Natural immunity is approximately 7.5 times more effective than vaccines. Isreal took the time and did the study.
Natural immunity is immunity to the whole virus, vaccines only target a piece of the virus.
Anyone that wants you to believe a paper mask can protect you should never be believed.
Listen and pay attention, they are not hiding their lies, they’re just waving a shiny object in the other hand.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:12 am to STEVED00
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What are the holdups? Why can they figure out the efficacy of the vaccines so quickly but not natural immunity?
You can’t find something you’re not seeking.
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