re: Ford's Mach-E output exceeds gas-powered Mustang so far in 2021

I like how they even took their iconic sports car and cucked it into this mom mobile thing. Mach E, baby.

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You have to own an electric vehicle for approximately 7 years before there’s any environmental difference.

How many people keep cars that long?

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Quite a few. There aren't any car companies making shite boxes that fall apart in 5 years anymore.

from 2012

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The latest data compiled by global market intelligence firm R.L. Polk & Co has found that Americans are now holding onto their new vehicles for a record 71.4 months. On the used vehicle side, that interval has risen to 49.9 months, a figure that also represents a new high mark. Collectively, the ownership period currently stands at 57 months, up from about 38 months back in 2002.

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from 2017

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the average age of vehicles in the U.S. is a record 11.6 years, according to one recent study.

According to IHS, the average length of ownership was a record 79.3 months, or nearly seven years.

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from 2020

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The experts at the car search engine iSeeCars.com took the time to analyze the average length of ownership among new cars. They investigated over 5 million vehicles sold by their original owners to determine which models are kept the longest. Counting all makes and models measured in this survey, the average length of new-vehicle ownership in the U.S. is 8.4 years.

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Increased quality in builds and car loans now going as long as 96 months have greatly extended the amount of time people hang onto their vehicles. If trends continue it will soon be common to have your vehicle for 10+ years. There are already several models pushing those numbers.

from 2018
The Long Haul: 15 Vehicles Owners Keep For At Least 15 Years

Not surprising because SUVs outsell Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers of their companies, respectively.

Shouldn't you have to pay to recharge your car at charging stations? Is there a fee today?

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It’s far more complicated than that, particularly concerning the amount of metals that will have to be mined for batteries, and the disposal of waste from that process. Also, what about the disposal of used batteries? I don’t think these have been given proper consideration.

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It is even less complicated than that.

1. We don’t have the infrastructure.

2. And if we even did build the infrastructure, we don’t have the social or political cohesion to build the necessary power stations to power them.

The progressives can’t even agree on which type of energy station they want.

Hell, they have probably shut down more power stations in NY and CA than they ever should have, and now they have been experiencing blackouts just trying to run everyone’s AC.

Again, this is a collapse waiting to happen.

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Quite a few. There aren't any car companies making shite boxes that fall apart in 5 years anymore

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And yet cars stay in the shop more and longer because the more shite you add to a vehicle, especially unnecessary tech, the more shite that can break.

It’s why there are so many vehicles from the early to mid 2000s still on the road. Advanced enough to have pretty much all the necessary bells and whistles without the excessive features of today that few really need or use.

Trucks today are the SUVs of 15 years ago, few use them for their intended purposes.

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25 years ago we didn't really have internet. Now the entire world economy is run online. My point is the infrastructure will come as demand grows.

The first few years will suck just like the dial-up era did but you cannot cast off EV's bc the first generation of mass production have limitations.

New and cleaner battery tech is right around the corner

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Why does no one ever address point 2?

How will you power it?

CA and NY can’t even power their current electricity demands.

Hell, TX had issues last winter. At least they would likely build a new power plant.

Will they build new power plants?

What type? No one can agree on that.

NY just shut down it’s last nuclear power plant.

CA is poised to shutdown their last one in 2024.

What will you use to fulfill this new demand?

You aren’t thinking this through. This is the “shiny new toy” tantrum of children who “demand the new gaming system” but will quickly realize that there are no games to play on it.

We physically cannot support this massive push to electric vehicles.

We don’t have the infrastructure nor do we have the power capabilities.

And, yes, we can upgrade infrastructure, which is a relatively slow project, but we cannot immediately build a new power plant.

Nuclear power plants take anywhere from 7-10 years to build, not counting design and political assholery.

Wind and solar are iffy and we saw the issues associated with them in TX last winter.

Some cities in CA won’t even allow someone to run NG to their homes, so good luck with that, not to mention the insane environmentalists there for even things like wind and solar.

But keep running headlong into that wall.

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Another nail in the oil-baw-truck-nuts coffin?

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If you consider the fact that EVs are built with approximately 50% plastic parts to help reduce weight, I don't think petrochemical industry is sweating it.

To produce better efficiency or for lack of a better term (MPG) you have to make a vehicle lighter. The Tesla model X out weights the Toyota 4 runner by 1,000 lbs and that is because of the weight of the batteries. If it weren't for the use of plastics it would be 3 times that most likely.

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why do you think China and Europe are accelerating headlong towards EVs?

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Because neither area has their own domestic source of oil and gas, therefore it is much more expensive in those areas?

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And you totally avoid the current infrastructure built around ICE vehicles

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I love finding the sunk cost fallacy in real life.