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re: Ford's Mach-E output exceeds gas-powered Mustang so far in 2021
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:19 pm to jamboybarry
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:19 pm to jamboybarry
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Again you’re conflating demand and market coercion by the Government.
You’re giving the government way too much credit. The biggest influencer is the capital markets and companies that aren’t developing EVs can’t get investors to give them money.
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Who gives a shite. In 10-15 years EVs will start to really take off because they are simply straight up better than the gas alternative in virtually every facet. The average consumer doesn't give a frick how much better or not it is for the environment. EVs will just be the superior option in the (relatively) near future.
You low-IQ dolts always show up in these threads. Laughable.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:36 pm to rickgrimes
They’ve halted mustang production due to the chip shortage. This article is bullshite
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:39 pm to rickgrimes
The issue is, once again, electricity production.
We are talking about this being a massive restructuring of the USA’s infrastructure and yet, at a time when we are hearing about power failures in both NY and CA, while also hearing how they are shutting down nuclear plants and unwilling to build other sources of sufficient power, we fully expect to support an entire fleet of EVs?
Hell, NYC just put out an emergency text to all citizens that it cannot sustain the current demand due to the AC usage secondary to the heatwave.
Once again, we put the cart before the horse.
We do not have the infrastructure and we do not have the social and political cohesion to even agree on how to power it.
The main proponents of EVs, the progressives, cannot even come to a consensus on how to power this future endeavor.
It is an apparent collapse waiting to happen.
But power on ahead everyone.
Nothing can be done at an appropriate pace.
It has to be done NOW NOW NOW!!!
We are talking about this being a massive restructuring of the USA’s infrastructure and yet, at a time when we are hearing about power failures in both NY and CA, while also hearing how they are shutting down nuclear plants and unwilling to build other sources of sufficient power, we fully expect to support an entire fleet of EVs?
Hell, NYC just put out an emergency text to all citizens that it cannot sustain the current demand due to the AC usage secondary to the heatwave.
Once again, we put the cart before the horse.
We do not have the infrastructure and we do not have the social and political cohesion to even agree on how to power it.
The main proponents of EVs, the progressives, cannot even come to a consensus on how to power this future endeavor.
It is an apparent collapse waiting to happen.
But power on ahead everyone.
Nothing can be done at an appropriate pace.
It has to be done NOW NOW NOW!!!
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:40 pm to rickgrimes
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:45 pm to DWIGHT
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We lose 65% of electricity we produce due to heat loss If we reduce this and add electric charging sub stations to the grid, we will be just fine No need to generate more electricity
The only way to reduce I*2x R loss is to increase wire size, which means heavier wire, and supporting structures, or increase primary supply voltage which means replacing transformers, and increasing dielectric rating of primary distribution support structures. All of the above will be incredibly expensive. Most home owners think their utility bill is already too high, so how is it going to be paid for?
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:48 pm to Limitlesstigers
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I'm not anti O&G but this is a weak argument.
It really isn't if you managed to pass grade-school physical science.
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Charging stations aren't that difficult or expensive to install compared to ICE infrastructure.
But that isn't the problem. You see, charging an EV takes hours. Going to a super charging station still takes 20 - 30 minutes just to get 50%, vs a gas station pump that can fill a 20 gallon tank in 2 minutes. There is no technology related to EV's that can match that, not now, not 20 years from now. No commercially viable battery technology can accept such a charge rate, no existing charger that is safe for the average consumer to handle has the ability to deliver power at that rate. The average gas pump delivers the equivalent of about 300 kWh per minute to put it in perspective.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:01 pm to saintforlife1
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There was a time when infrastructure of this country was built around horse drawn buggies. That didn't stop us from embracing automobiles and gas stations. Try harder.
At that time we were replacing horse drawn buggies with a vastly better transportation system. With the automobile we gained greater speed, greater range on the fuel carried, greater load capacity, ease of refueling. Gasoline could be stored in less space, and was easier to transport than hay.
By the same criteria going from ICE vehicles to EVs is a step backwards in several aspects.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:09 pm to rickgrimes
Federal money.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:11 pm to rickgrimes
I'd considering buying one, but I want at least a 300 mile range.
Basically I need to drive 110 miles, sit all week, then be able to hop into it and drive another 110 miles without recharging. 220 -230 mile range is cutting it close if I run into a detour.
Basically I need to drive 110 miles, sit all week, then be able to hop into it and drive another 110 miles without recharging. 220 -230 mile range is cutting it close if I run into a detour.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:33 pm to rickgrimes
They produced more, but have they sold more?
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:43 pm to jamboybarry
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Imagine how much natural gas and coal we are going to burn for all these fricking EV’s
If you're that worried about it then call your elected officials and tell them to quit with all the regulations on nuclear energy.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:52 pm to DaBike
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Just think of all the mineral mining taking place in China and the tailings left behind. Well, as long as we’re damaging someone else country and taking advantage their poor less fortunate people it’s okay.
Yep. Nickel mining is a filthy job. Cant have a Derrick much less a nickel mine in our backyard
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:08 pm to jmarto1
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tell them to quit with all the regulations on nuclear energy.
If you really want to support nuclear development, have your elected officials volunteer to put a unit in their area. You can’t even get into the regulatory side if you can’t find a place to do it, and that’s where the vast majority of proposed projects die.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:11 pm to Ghost of Colby
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Ford has built 27,816 electric Mustang Mach-E models at a plant in Mexico this year compared with 26,089 copies of the traditional internal combustion engine Mustang at
the soon to be permanently closed
factory in Michigan,
FIFY
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:23 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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Yep. Nickel mining is a filthy job. Cant have a Derrick much less a nickel mine in our backyard
Don’t forget copper and bauxite mining, and the massive amount of energy used to produce aluminum from the bauxite. Those saying the grid will be upgraded seem to forget it will require massive amounts of copper for transformers, and aluminum for distribution conductors. The energy required to upgrade the grid and install infrastructure to handle a significant transition to EVs will take a lifetime to offset with just the increased energy efficiency from using EVs, if ever.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:37 pm to diat150
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Federal money.
No such thing. You must mean money forcibly taken from the working citizens.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:45 pm to DWIGHT
quote:attenuation in the electric grid is a bitch.
We lose 65% of electricity we produce due to heat loss
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:56 pm to saintforlife1
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Assuming for a second that electrification of vehicles in the US is some kind of a liberal conspiracy theory to punish the O&G industry and Trump supporters, why do you think China and Europe are accelerating headlong towards EVs? What's their motivation to do that in their own countries?
Compare the percentage of their populations that own personal vehicles and drive them daily compared to the US and get back to me.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:01 pm to Limitlesstigers
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I'm not anti O&G but this is a weak argument. Charging stations aren't that difficult or expensive to install compared to ICE infrastructure.
And who is going to cover that? Gas vehicles are the significantly cheaper and superior options to these all electric queermobiles out there. Unless you plan on building a shite ton of nuclear power plants and going balls deep on coal than this push for electric will either 1. Completely backfire and not happen outside of a niche market or 2. Be one of, if not the biggest mistakes in our country’s history.
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