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Ford's Mach-E output exceeds gas-powered Mustang so far in 2021

Posted on 6/4/21 at 8:53 pm
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4181 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 8:53 pm
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Ford Motor Co. surpassed a significant milestone in its conversion to electric vehicles, producing more battery-powered Mustangs so far this year than gasoline-fueled versions of its iconic pony car.

Ford has built 27,816 electric Mustang Mach-E models at a plant in Mexico this year compared with 26,089 copies of the traditional internal combustion engine Mustang at a factory in Michigan, according to production data the automaker released Thursday.

Chief Executive Officer Jim Farley said last week that he expects 4-in-10 models Ford sells to be electric by 2030, as he revealed plans to boost spending on battery-powered models by 36% to $30 billion. The Mach-E went on sale late last year and was the top-selling vehicle in Norway last month.


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Another nail in the oil-baw-truck-nuts coffin?
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32653 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 8:55 pm to
Imagine how much natural gas and coal we are going to burn for all these fricking EV’s
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
8286 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 8:56 pm to
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Imagine how much natural gas and coal we are going to burn for all these fricking EV’s


Stop trying to confuse all of the my-farts-don't-smell crowd who think EV means zero emissions!
Posted by saintforlife1
Member since Jul 2012
1321 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:00 pm to
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Imagine how much natural gas and coal we are going to burn for all these fricking EV’s


So people in coal country and those who work in the O&G industry should have no problem with electrification of vehicles in America then since we are just substituting one type of hydrocarbon with another? Correct?
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25670 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:03 pm to
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Imagine how much natural gas and coal we are going to burn for all these fricking EV’s


Great argument to exploit the uninformed and/or weak minded.

This argument totally avoids the fact the EV/US power grid is much more efficient at turning hydrocarbons into motion than ICE based vehicles. That is not even accounting for the 17% of the US power generated from renewable sources.
Posted by DWIGHT
LSU
Member since Dec 2008
224 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:06 pm to
We lose 65% of electricity we produce due to heat loss

If we reduce this and add electric charging sub stations to the grid, we will be just fine

No need to generate more electricity
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32653 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:06 pm to
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Great argument to exploit the uninformed and/or weak minded.


By your own post the overwhelming majority of US electricity is generated by non renewables.

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This argument totally avoids the fact the EV/US power grid is much more efficient at turning hydrocarbons into motion than ICE based vehicles


And you totally avoid the current infrastructure built around ICE vehicles
Posted by saintforlife1
Member since Jul 2012
1321 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:11 pm to
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And you totally avoid the current infrastructure built around ICE vehicles

There was a time when infrastructure of this country was built around horse drawn buggies. That didn't stop us from embracing automobiles and gas stations. Try harder.
Posted by The Goon
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2008
1247 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:12 pm to
Vehicle emissions are a red herring. The biggest emitter is logistics transportation of goods on ship across oceans.

By all means, go electric. Just don’t mandate everyone drive one as we currently do not have the infrastructure for that much electricity. 20% of electric car users go back to ICE because they can’t charge them for their lifestyle.
Posted by DaBike
Member since Jan 2008
9175 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:15 pm to
Just think of all the mineral mining taking place in China and the tailings left behind. Well, as long as we’re damaging someone else country and taking advantage their poor less fortunate people it’s okay.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25670 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:16 pm to
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By your own post the overwhelming majority of US electricity is generated by non renewables.


Absolutely, in fact that WAS the point even if you took all the renewable generation offline the US grid coupled with EVs are still significantly more efficient at producing motion than burning fossil fuels in your local ICE vehicle.

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And you totally avoid the current infrastructure built around ICE vehicles


Infrastructure has to be updated and replaced all the time, even without new technology. I mean if the idea of making infrastructure obsolete was taboo we would be still talking on copper based landlines.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10401 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:16 pm to
Where does the electricity for the electric vehicle come from?

Spoiler alert:

It's still hydrocarbons.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32653 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:16 pm to
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There was a time when infrastructure of this country was built around horse drawn buggies. That didn't stop us from embracing automobiles and gas stations. Try harder.


You’re confusing customer demand and Government pressure (edict). Circle back champ

It’s an artificial “embracing” that you’re promoting not out of demand but out of force.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25670 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:19 pm to
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Where does the electricity for the electric vehicle come from?

Spoiler alert:

It's still hydrocarbons.


The majority of it is currently. The salient issue is which burns lower amounts of it per mile driven.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15101 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:20 pm to
I'm going to buy that F 150 EV. It's going to be a luxurious golf cart to take me that 36 mile round trip to Lowes.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32653 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:21 pm to
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Absolutely, in fact that WAS the point even if you took all the renewable generation offline the US grid coupled with EVs are still significantly more efficient at producing motion than burning fossil fuels in your local ICE vehicle.


Efficiency at producing motion isn’t exactly high up on the demand/marketing pyramid of vehicles in the U. S.

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Infrastructure has to be updated and replaced all the time, even without new technology. I mean if the idea of making infrastructure obsolete was taboo we would be still talking on copper based landlines.


Again you’re conflating demand and market coercion by the Government. Cell phones and continual infrastructure upgrades to support them were in demand by consumers.

Nationwide EV infrastructure (to support widespread EV adoption) is not.

Posted by saintforlife1
Member since Jul 2012
1321 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:23 pm to
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Where does the electricity for the electric vehicle come from?

Spoiler alert:

It's still hydrocarbons.

Wow, how come nobody else on the planet knew that before? I am sure when you typed that you thought you were being clever.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15101 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:26 pm to
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It's still hydrocarbons.

I watched a YouTube video where Neal DeGrasse Tyson said the energy will come from another source. He seemed to indicate oil and natural gas would just go away. People believe that shite.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
11237 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:31 pm to
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Ford has built 27,816 electric Mustang Mach-E models at a plant in Mexico this year compared with 26,089 copies of the traditional internal combustion engine Mustang at a factory in Michigan,

Posted by saintforlife1
Member since Jul 2012
1321 posts
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:32 pm to
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Again you’re conflating demand and market coercion by the Government. Cell phones and continual infrastructure upgrades to support them were in demand by consumers.

Nationwide EV infrastructure (to support widespread EV adoption) is not.

Assuming for a second that electrification of vehicles in the US is some kind of a liberal conspiracy theory to punish the O&G industry and Trump supporters, why do you think China and Europe are accelerating headlong towards EVs? What's their motivation to do that in their own countries?
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