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Is Nissan about to cancel the Infiniti brand in the US?

Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:49 am
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32121 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:49 am
The Infiniti brand is being pulled out of Europe this year, leaving it heavily reliant on the US and Canadian markets for success. Unfortunately, their outlook in the US is not much better. Like other Japanese automotive luxury brands, Infiniti sales were down in 2019 - except that Infiniti sales were down an astounding 25% in 2019 from 2017 (much worse performance than Acura and Lexus, who also struggled in that same period). Covid-19 will undoubtedly make it even worse for 2020.

Infiniti's lineup is almost all very old designs that don't excite anyone. They offer almost nothing that stands out among its competitive set. The only selling point they have is that their products are cheaper than Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, and even Volvo. The Europeans, Americans, and even the Korean's have made major investments into their luxury cars while Infiniti has basically ignored their lineup.

The only vestige from their high water mark (Introduction of G35 sedan in the early 2000's) is the ancient Q50 sedan. If you are willing to put up with a luxury car that is missing a lot of tech features, you can pick one of these up for a far lower price than a comparable BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Cadillac, or Genesis. The Q50 is the only Infiniti that has the potential for entertaining the driver, which was the primary appeal of the successful G35 sports sedan.

Their hottest selling (and likely most profitable) product is a common feature on rental car lots - and is a ultimately just an unconvincing rebadge of an already disappointing Nissan minivan with a CVT transmission, gritty V6 engine, and the most outdated infotainment system in this market. It costs significantly less than its competitors and there are no plans to significantly improve this car within the next two years.

Infiniti QX60/J35 crossover - wasn't particularly competitive when it came out 8 years ago. It's easily worst in class now, relying on fleet sales and steep discounts to move.


Infiniti Q50 sedan/coupe- this is an 8 year old sedan design that appeals to value minded shoppers. There is an attractive two door coupe variant, but no one buys it. This is probably the only acceptable Infiniti product, and it's not a compelling buy over the competitors.


Infiniti QX80 SUV- now a 10 year old design. It costs about $25,000 less than a comparable Range Rover, Cadillac, or Lincoln full sized luxury SUV - and for that, you lose out on a lot of the common tech features that luxury car buyers demand. The engine also has a disappointing "bolts in a blender" sound quality that's common with Nissan V6 and V8 engines.



The QX50 crossover - Infiniti's latest product, is actually based off of the previous generation Nissan Rogue, complete with a surprisingly decent 4 cylinder engine that's handicapped by an annoying and unreliable CVT. This design dates back to 2017, and is the most up to date product that Infiniti can offer consumers.




Infiniti doesn't currently have a plan to put up the massive investment required to return the brand to success. Their only new models are re-badged Nissan products with CVT transmissions - which are largely rejected in the luxury/high end car market.

What are the chances that Nissan pulls the plug on the entire brand in the US and Canadian markets?
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32594 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:53 am to
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Their only new models are re-badged Nissan products with CVT transmissions - which are largely rejected in the luxury/high end car market.


It’s been that way for a while. They are nissans with slightly higher end trims.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32121 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:57 am to
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It’s been that way for a while. They are nissans with slightly higher end trims.


Even the competitors that are basically just fancy versions of mainstream cars have up to date infotainment systems, newer designs, and don't bother with a CVT.

I think the CVT has a minor negative impact on Nissan sales, but it's completely devastating to a performance/luxury brand like Infiniti.
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:58 am to
They should pull the plug on the cvt transmission.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62886 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:59 am to
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They are nissans with slightly higher end trims.

All of the Japanese brands are this
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:02 pm to
I was surprised when the Japanese luxury concept took off. It was in the late 80s or early 90s, I think. The notion that someone looking at, say, BMWs would comparison shop at a place that sold high-end Toyotas seemed dubious to me.

The Japanese succeeded, though, because those first Acura, Lexus, and Infiniti products were really good. It's been a while since any of those brands put out something that really appealed to me, though, like the original Q45 or SC400 did.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25395 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:03 pm to
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All of the Japanese brands are this


And all of them are seeing sales declines in the past 3 years.

Even Cadillac was up for that same period. Lincoln held steady.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5346 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:04 pm to
There's nothing competitive nor compelling about the product. No real identity. I couldn't name a single Infiniti model that I would own unlike Audi, BMW or Mercedes.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20521 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:06 pm to
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The notion that someone looking at, say, BMWs would comparison shop at a place that sold high-end Toyotas seemed dubious to me.


To be fair the Jap brands are hell of a lot better cars to own long term or to buy off a lease. Want a 3 year old luxury brand, Jap over Euro is hell of a lot cheaper.

Given that, no one cares about long term ownership when buying a luxury car new.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79322 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:06 pm to
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All of the Japanese brands are this



True, but Nissan seems like it starts farther behind AND the gap between standard and luxury variants are smaller
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25395 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:08 pm to
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True, but Nissan seems like it starts farther behind AND the gap between standard and luxury variants are smaller


I can't think of a single Nissan or Infiniti product that I'd realistically purchase over a competitor.

I could probably think of at least 2-3 for every other car company without much effort.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:10 pm
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27483 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:10 pm to
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The engine also has a disappointing "bolts in a blender" sound quality that's common with Nissan V6 and V8 engines.


Are you retarded?

Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32121 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:12 pm to
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Are you retarded?


Have you driven a V6 or V8 Nissan recently? Even if you can ignore the horrible infotainment, dated design, and CVTs....you will hear the lack of quality in the engine.

I don't notice that with Acura or BMW at all.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17755 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:12 pm to
Nissan is struggling bad shut down until July aug maybe longer prob dumping 1/3 or more of the mfg jobs won’t come back after they re open
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25395 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:15 pm to
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They should pull the plug on the cvt transmission.


They may as well ditch it entirely and go full electric. Most of their gasoline engines are old enough to drink.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16898 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:17 pm to
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Infiniti


I think it's time to revoke their luxury car status.

You can get an Infiniti for the price of a similar sized loaded up Toyota or Honda. And you will still wish you bought the loaded up Toyota or Honda.
Posted by BuyloSellhi
The South
Member since May 2017
618 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:17 pm to
I've had a sedan for 9 years and one of the SUV models for two years. They have been fantastic and the local service group is as good as any we have ever dealt with in the past.

Hope they stay around.
Posted by Tri City Tigers
Member since Oct 2018
2343 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:17 pm to
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like the original Q45 or SC400 did.


I had an original SC400. I received many speeding tickets at 18 years old. I wish I had kept that car, I probably would have totaled it at some point.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11532 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:20 pm to
Nissan might be about to cancel Nissan at the rate they are going.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
11581 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:20 pm to
The beginning of the end for them was when they started naming every vehicle Q. Then the genius behind the Q naming structure went to Cadillac and ruined shite there as well.
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