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re: Dr. Anthony Fauci now says COVID-19 mortality rate closer to "very bad flu"
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:26 am to Number 9 Fan
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:26 am to Number 9 Fan
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The journalists are mostly to blame.
Blame for what? The media has put more useful info out than any other institution has, including our own government. Of course they've also sensationalized it and that's all most people focus on.
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:27 am to RollTide1987
He says its closer to a severe flu than SARS or MERS
Which is correct, 1-2% is closer to .1 than 9%.
He's not saying it IS THE SAME as flu. Jesus you fricking sheep wont' read anything for yourself, just regurgitate.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:27 am to tigerinthebueche
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Or maybe we’re past the bad shite! Maybe the “horrific” conditions your wife are seeing is the bad shite. But don’t let that stop you from being dramatic and foreboding as possible.
From his other posts this morning it sounds like his wife has been out on maternity leave
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:34 am to barry
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He says its closer to a severe flu than SARS or MERS
Which is correct, 1-2% is closer to .1 than 9%.
He's not saying it IS THE SAME as flu. Jesus you fricking sheep wont' read anything for yourself, just regurgitate.
Could be worse. He took an NYT contributor's summarization of an article as fact yesterday.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:37 am to chitiger91
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IK man was trying to follow the advice of everyone here and CNN wishing death. They were CERTAIN dead bodies were gonna be in the streets, frikin ay was hoping to win back that 30% of my retirement I’ve lost already. I’ll just double down for next week, hopefully grandma bettys face down in the road.
How’s working from home been for you my man?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:42 am to The Spleen
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The media has put more useful info out than any other institution has,
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The media has put more useful info out than any other institution has,
They had a job to do, and they did it. Still are.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:47 am to ScottFowler
"The media" capitalizes on fear. Do yes, they did their job.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:47 am to tigerinthebueche
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Downplaying it?
Well let’s see. We’ve killed our economy. We’ve shut down schools, airlines, cruises, international travel, the borders, much of our commerce, bars, gyms, restaurants, dental offices (except for emergencies), all sports, entertainment venues, just about all social events of any sort, barber shops, beauty salons, banks (lobbies) most retailers, and most people are sheltering and working from home,
If they still have a job.
How much more seriously would you like us to take it?
What a strange way to interpret my post. Im clearly talking about people who are saying its just a bad flu and that we should relax all these things you mentioned before we have it under control. You just completely ignored the context of my post.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Maybe, or possibly the worst case scenario being force fed to the public was science fiction.
It's not science fiction. The experts can only predict things based on the information they have in front of them. The US failed massively with testing which led to a lot of incomplete numbers.
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Usually between two extremes you'll find the truth.
You are correct. A month ago the experts on podcasts I listened to were predicting the CFR would fall if they had more data, but they were having to use numbers from other countries. Everyone assumed we actually had more cases, but couldn't confirm b/c we didn't prioritize testing. On the other side of this, you have people still thinking this is like the flu b/c the case/death numbers aren't high enough despite there is NO evidence this has come close to peaking.
Maybe, just maybe, this is 5-10 times more deadly than the flu and it's also causing significantly more hospitalizations than the flu AND stay-at-home measures will keep things to manageable levels. It doesn't make this science fiction b/c it's less deadly than originally thought. It still needs to be taken seriously.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:48 am to The Spleen
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Blame for what?
This:
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Of course they've also sensationalized it
There is far, far more sensationalism than factual news being put out by the media.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:49 am to barry
quote:Read the sentences before your highlighted portion. He literally says the case fatality rate would be multiple times and significantly lower than 1%.
barry
You calling other people sheep is comical on the highest order.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 9:52 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:51 am to ashy larry
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It still needs to be taken seriously.
Absolutely
But doesnt require draconian authoritarianism.
Political solutions to practical problems usually backfire. Wait until this bill comes due.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:53 am to The Spleen
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Blame for what?
Journalist lost the high ground years ago after being exposed for spreading propaganda to help their favorite politicians. Too many know that now; thus when ABC of CNN tells you it’s Friday you automatically check your calendar to verify what they are saying is true.
Furthermore, instead of providing the story, they digress and make it about playing gotcha at the expense of providing hard facts. It’s all on them.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:57 am to barry
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He says its closer to a severe flu than SARS or MERS
Which is correct, 1-2% is closer to .1 than 9%.
He's not saying it IS THE SAME as flu.
yours is the correct way to read it.
In other words,
.01% is a regular flu (not mentioned in the article but from CDC)
.1% is a severe/pandemic flu (mentioned in the article)
1% or less is Covid-19. We don't yet know how much less it could be; it has already been revised down to 1% taking into consideration asymptomatic cases in such places as the cruise ships etc., so I don't see it being revised down another order of magnitude to equate it to a pandemic flu.
So the fatality is 1-2 orders of magnitude greater than the regular flu. The R0 for flu is 1.3 and for Covid-19 appears to be greater than 2. So transmissibility is about double. That is a HUGE difference on an exponential curve.
We've known all along that it isnt' close to SARS or MERS for fatality, but is far more contagious. I don't see how this isn't in line with what has been said all along. Revisions downward in the fatality rate is GREAT news! but it doesn't change the fact that hospitals are about to get crushed, and it sure doesn't make this a nothingburger.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:01 am to RollTide1987
The more we test, the more we will confirm that this is the case.
Super Contagious...Minor Symptoms unless compromised...If compromised (especially if old) = high risk.
Problem is we have some who interpret these 'bad flu' correlations as 'see, not a big deal'. Without explaining the full extent of this infection process each time, it's extremely irresponsible.
Please do not misinterpret these obvious and already known findings. This one is different and if we stop suppressing the spread, we don't have the capacity to deal with those at high risk.
Super Contagious...Minor Symptoms unless compromised...If compromised (especially if old) = high risk.
Problem is we have some who interpret these 'bad flu' correlations as 'see, not a big deal'. Without explaining the full extent of this infection process each time, it's extremely irresponsible.
Please do not misinterpret these obvious and already known findings. This one is different and if we stop suppressing the spread, we don't have the capacity to deal with those at high risk.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Absolutely
But doesnt require draconian authoritarianism.
Political solutions to practical problems usually backfire. Wait until this bill comes due.
It’s baffling to me how many people are okay with the overreaction. “Well, better safe than sorry.” What we did was not responsible policy.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:04 am to SabiDojo
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It’s baffling to me how many people are okay with the overreaction. “Well, better safe than sorry.” What we did was not responsible policy.
I hope it's easily as baffling to you that we're rushing an over 2 trillion dollar spending bill through on a whim with very little debate.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:06 am to Centinel
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here is far, far more sensationalism than factual news being put out by the media.
Not in the news I've been digesting. It's been pretty easy to see the sensationalism and avoid most of it in favor of the actual reporting.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:09 am to SabiDojo
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It’s baffling to me how many people are okay with the overreaction. “Well, better safe than sorry.” What we did was not responsible policy.
Serious question. Do you think all of the other countries around the world, who are all taking similar steps, are also overreacting?
Do you blame the US media for Italy's overreaction in shutting down their country? What about China, who shutdown long before US media outlets could even spell coronavirus?
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