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re: Brought home an $8000 violin and found out it’s fake - Updated
Posted on 12/21/19 at 6:21 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Posted on 12/21/19 at 6:21 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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My daughter wants the violin,
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$8000
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relative novice can spot a fake before they can
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but I know myself and I cannot not be an a-hole
I found your problem.
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Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:14 am to olgoi khorkhoi
$8,000 for a 200 year old violin? Jesus! I can’t imagine what a new one costs!
Why is your hand so sweaty in that pic?
Why is your hand so sweaty in that pic?
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:40 am to olgoi khorkhoi
"...but it sounds better than violins 5x the price."
Are you investing with the intent of selling for a profit, or is it about your daughter making music? If she wants it, then she will probably be inspired to play it more.
I have a Japanese built guitar that sounds, to my ear, better than any Martin I've played. I paid 1/5 the price, but it inspires me to pick it up every time I see it.
Are you investing with the intent of selling for a profit, or is it about your daughter making music? If she wants it, then she will probably be inspired to play it more.
I have a Japanese built guitar that sounds, to my ear, better than any Martin I've played. I paid 1/5 the price, but it inspires me to pick it up every time I see it.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:43 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Sucker
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:49 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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costed
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:03 am to Trevaylin
OP might have a case for fraud or misrepresentation BUT he had to prove this in some fashion to win a civil case...51/49 threshold.
The best bet is get legal advise but in the absence of that I would build the case on both ends. On my end, I would get a couple of appraisals showing it as fake.
On the other side, which is more difficult, I would try to save any evidence showing it was misrepresented. Now even if you don't have anything yet, you might tape something and allude to what they said it was and talk about it in a non-threatening way where they don't know that you're on to them.
Take said evidence of support consumer protection bureau...BBB for example...and see if you get results that way as well.
Those are some notions I would follow for starters.
Edit: You might also want to see if the exact violin has a previous ad for it or pictures in some fashion showing they were selling that same violin so they can't claim you switched it and also it would go to proof that it was indeed being misrepresented.
The best bet is get legal advise but in the absence of that I would build the case on both ends. On my end, I would get a couple of appraisals showing it as fake.
On the other side, which is more difficult, I would try to save any evidence showing it was misrepresented. Now even if you don't have anything yet, you might tape something and allude to what they said it was and talk about it in a non-threatening way where they don't know that you're on to them.
Take said evidence of support consumer protection bureau...BBB for example...and see if you get results that way as well.
Those are some notions I would follow for starters.
Edit: You might also want to see if the exact violin has a previous ad for it or pictures in some fashion showing they were selling that same violin so they can't claim you switched it and also it would go to proof that it was indeed being misrepresented.
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 8:38 am
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:08 am to olgoi khorkhoi
The other way to look at it is you are buying the best sounding violin in Nashville. That sounds like a pretty good deal. I’d have it appraised either way.
If the store is trying to sell it as a given maker they probably bought it that way. If they sell it to you for 350 they would take a huge loss. They already believe it’s legit so they will have two choices. 1. Sell it to you at a huge financial loss. 2. Ignore your concerns and hang their 8000 dollar violin on the wall and tell you to screw off.
You already said it sounds incredible and was absolutely worth the 8,000 before you found out this new piece of info. Since you have a watch worth more than my car, money must not mean that much...
Let your daughter enjoy the best sounding violin in Nashville. Or tell your daughter that her love of music and potential future means less to you than your watch and the violin is going back.
If the store is trying to sell it as a given maker they probably bought it that way. If they sell it to you for 350 they would take a huge loss. They already believe it’s legit so they will have two choices. 1. Sell it to you at a huge financial loss. 2. Ignore your concerns and hang their 8000 dollar violin on the wall and tell you to screw off.
You already said it sounds incredible and was absolutely worth the 8,000 before you found out this new piece of info. Since you have a watch worth more than my car, money must not mean that much...
Let your daughter enjoy the best sounding violin in Nashville. Or tell your daughter that her love of music and potential future means less to you than your watch and the violin is going back.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:11 am to fr33manator
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Bring in an “expert” (a friend in on the deal) to examine in and pronounce it a fake
Make sure your friend wears an "Inspector Clouseau" costume and speaks with a French accent.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:13 am to olgoi khorkhoi
So, let me understand all that you have claimed;
1. Your daughter is so good at the violin that she needs an 8k one
2. You admitted knowing nothing about violins, but over the course of a couple of hours on the internet you became expert enough to call the seller a liar. Not only that, but you also can pin down 1880 as the year of the forgery
3. You wear a watch that is worth more than 8k
4. You have larger than average hands (we know what you are hinting at)
1. Your daughter is so good at the violin that she needs an 8k one
2. You admitted knowing nothing about violins, but over the course of a couple of hours on the internet you became expert enough to call the seller a liar. Not only that, but you also can pin down 1880 as the year of the forgery
3. You wear a watch that is worth more than 8k
4. You have larger than average hands (we know what you are hinting at)
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:13 am to olgoi khorkhoi
I don’t understand what the problem is. Are you debating spending $8K on a fake?
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:14 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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How do I get this violin for $350 without getting kicked out of the store first?
More importantly:
How do you return it and tell them you discovered it's a replica without being accused of a switcheroo?
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:14 am to eitek1
if you are confident in it being a knock off, get a second opinion
If it comes back as fake it sounds like it goes back on the wall but very possibly for less money. They aren’t going to turn his card down once they have a 5k knock off they are trying to move- so no risk other than the cost of the outside opinion and then buying it for $8k still possibly
If it comes back as fake it sounds like it goes back on the wall but very possibly for less money. They aren’t going to turn his card down once they have a 5k knock off they are trying to move- so no risk other than the cost of the outside opinion and then buying it for $8k still possibly
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:17 am to Passing Wind
Pics of daughter?
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:18 am to magildachunks
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How so?
If he pays what its worth, where's the profit?
I think your eyes may have missed it but we're talking about 2 different numbers
8,000 (asking price)
80,000 (theoretical value)
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:18 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Choot 'em
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:25 am to Pechon
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bought my son a trumpet for his 11th birthday. It was $80 and he can certainly play it better than I can. The only way he's getting an $8000 trumpet is if he's a recording artist and paying for it himself.
Violins are notoriously expensive. They're not the average horn or wind instrument. Even cheaper ones for pros are a grand.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:25 am to olgoi khorkhoi
As many other posters already pointed out, this sounds fake AF.
And if by some strange turn of events this turns out to be legit, then you’ve come to the OT to ask for advice for what is an extremely niche market and a not insignificant amount of money. If that’s the case, you don’t deserve the $8k or your fancy watch or stable internet access.
And if by some strange turn of events this turns out to be legit, then you’ve come to the OT to ask for advice for what is an extremely niche market and a not insignificant amount of money. If that’s the case, you don’t deserve the $8k or your fancy watch or stable internet access.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:31 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:39 am to olgoi khorkhoi
I like this story and will follow it to its end. I believe it, and even if it's not true, it will be more interesting than the 12 threads that you know who and you know who start today.
I enjoyed shopping for a trumpet for my offspring. It's nice when you can afford to buy your kids something nicer than your parents could for you.
To your dilemma, I don't have an opinion yet.
I enjoyed shopping for a trumpet for my offspring. It's nice when you can afford to buy your kids something nicer than your parents could for you.
To your dilemma, I don't have an opinion yet.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:48 am to olgoi khorkhoi
I have no advice, but if you’re giving your daughter an 8k violin, what do expect the ROI to be. Is she touring Europe? Playing in Vienna for Christmas perhaps? I have a violin that I think I paid $400 for. It screeches just fine.
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