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re: Georgia deputies seize over $500,000 in cash during traffic stop

Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:34 am to
Posted by PortHudsonPlaya
Houston
Member since Jul 2017
3170 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:34 am to
Believe it or not, cops have the authority to seize cash over a certain amount for investigation purposes. I think it’s $2000. May be different in other places.

I was driving home from the casino once and got pulled over for a random thing, and the cop told me this. Granted he didn’t seize my cash, but let me know he had the right to if he wanted to be an arse. I guess I seemed like a straight shooter and he believed I was driving from Lake Charles.

Nice guy...let me go with a warning. Granted I was cooperative and spoke like a professional.
This post was edited on 3/11/19 at 9:37 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:35 am to
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How can seize money with no evidence?
Free Will Wade!!!!
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
18813 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:37 am to
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People act like law abiding people would be driving around with this much cash wrapped up this way.


I know a couple of guys that do car buying and they have at least that much on them sometimes. They are classic car restoration guys and they offer cash on the spot. Cash is legal tender and completely ok to have on hand.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
26832 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:41 am to
I'll never understand why, if someone is carrying that amount of cash or a bundle of drugs, they would be driving like idiots.

Why draw attention to yourself. Get an everyday driver, and drive like a normal person, it's not that difficult.
Posted by Ash Williams
South of i-10
Member since May 2009
18174 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:42 am to
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Believe it or not, cops have the authority to seize cash over a certain amount for investigation purposes. I think it’s $2000. May be different in other places.


No they don’t.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114133 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:43 am to
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Origins: If you’ve ever had call to withdraw a sum of money from the bank that was larger than you’d customarily handle, you may have experienced feeling a corresponding sense of foreboding until the currency was safely transported to its destination. It is often mused money is power; accordingly, being in possession of large sums of cash (for instances such as a private party car sale) can feel dangerous because it makes you a target of those who seek to acquire power. One of the most common tips bestowed upon travelers involves carrying as little currency as possible while away from home, so pervasive is our fear of being hoodwinked out of it when we’re away from familiar places. Moreover, the notion dealing in cash is a risky proposition is on the upswing. Credit and debit cards are now accepted nearly everywhere, and plastic offers formidable protection against being swindled or cheated out of everything you have. That’s generally not the case with cash (which is far less frequently insurable): Even when we’re being cautious, carrying a large sum of currency can feel like wearing a neon “rob me” sign; and were such a circumstance to come to pass, we’d expect to be asked with alacrity why it was necessary to be toting so much money around. Common discomfort over the handling of large sums of money has led to some near-superstitious beliefs about how to do so safely and legally, including a common rumor simply having cash totaling $10,000 or more in your possession is illegal regardless of how you acquired it or what you intend to do with it. A quick online search reveals a number of variations of this belief that are fairly persistent: it’s illegal to carry any amount of cash over $10,000, you are prohibited from flying with sums of that amount, and even “instruments” (such as a check) over the magical $10,000 mark will provoke scrutiny and possible detention by law enforcement agents. No U.S. law specifically prohibits an individual from possessing or carrying $10,000 or more. In fact, it’s not technically illegal to possess sums far larger than that for a wide variety of purposes. (If it were, many small business owners would find running their primarily cash-based businesses impossible.) However, a few factors advance the belief that $10,000 is a threshold of illegality when it comes to money. The most likely suspect is the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act of 1970, also known as the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA). Enacted to inhibit money laundering, and utilized by the United States Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, the BSA mainly obligates banks (not citizens) to report transactions of more than $10,000:


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This is from snopes.com. Not sure how reliable it is.

But am I the only person who thinks this is bullshite?

Being wrapped the same way cocaine money is wrapped doesn't prove anything at all.

Someone could cash out every check they received from working just because they don't trust the banking system.

How can they just take the cash without proof of anything?
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
37422 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:43 am to
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Well I'm sure there are clear TAX records for the $500k. Prove that, or some other legal reasoning, and get it back. Dont be shady, and dont get questioned. 

People act like law abiding people would be driving around with this much cash wrapped up this way.
This is the post of a communist bitch.
Posted by PortHudsonPlaya
Houston
Member since Jul 2017
3170 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:44 am to
Absolutely they do.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112860 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:45 am to
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Believe it or not, cops have the authority to seize cash over a certain amount for investigation purposes. I think it’s $2000.




That cop was thinking of robbing your dumbass
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:46 am to
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“All of it is wrapped the same way they wrap cocaine, the same rubber bands, the same style of wrapping, so when you see that you know where that money’s derived from,” Paulk said.


Quite the assumption used to take such a substantial amount of money from someone without due process.

CAF is a scourge.
Posted by Ash Williams
South of i-10
Member since May 2009
18174 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:47 am to
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Absolutely they do.


Nope.

They do not.

That cop was either wrong, lying to you, or fricking with you.

They cannot seize cash without some sort of reasonable suspicion that the cash was somehow the product of or was to be used for narcotics transactions.

And even then, without evidence of a crime they only have 72 hours to get a judge to sign a warrant saying there’s probably cause that the money was for narcotics.
This post was edited on 3/11/19 at 9:51 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:48 am to
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Well I'm sure there are clear TAX records for the $500k. Prove that, or some other legal reasoning, and get it back. Dont be shady, and dont get questioned.

People act like law abiding people would be driving around with this much cash wrapped up this way.



Wow, what a terrifying hot take.

frick freedom right in the arse, huh?
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:50 am to
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I know a couple of guys that do car buying and they have at least that much on them sometimes. They are classic car restoration guys and they offer cash on the spot. Cash is legal tender and completely ok to have on hand.


Ok cool. Do they wrap them up in blocks like coke? Not saying you cant carry it, but it's red flags that if legitimately retained you can show proof.

Yeah i'm all about freedoms, but I'm not one of these types that thinks its ok for illegal behaviors to take advantage of those to skirt it all. Why we have some many problems right now in this country.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23367 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:50 am to
Stealing money that someone earned selling a processed plant that is banned.

It’s amaizing the power that gov has. It more powerful than anything on the planet.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:51 am to
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They cannot seize cash with some sort of reasonable suspicion that the cash was somehow the product of or was to be used for narcotics transactions.


This is true, but "reasonable suspicion" is completely subjective on the part of a Barney Fife, GED having motherfricker.

And if you want to fight for your money back, they will drag you through court for months and you'll end up spending a ton on lawyer and court fees.

There are endless stories of this happening to completely innocent people. CAF is the biggest slap in the face to our constitution that I can remember in my lifetime. People who defend it should be put down.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18593 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:52 am to
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Well I'm sure there are clear TAX records for the $500k. Prove that, or some other legal reasoning, and get it back. Dont be shady, and dont get questioned.

People act like law abiding people would be driving around with this much cash wrapped up this way.



I agree with you, but the burden is not supposed to be on the suspect to prove innocence. It’s up to the state to prove their was a crime.

Look, I support LEOs. I just submitted my paper work to join the academy, but there are things that need to be fixed. I don’t necessarily blame the officers. It starts up top. DAs and ADAs want a high conviction rate so that money is generated, and judges want to appear to be tough on crime so that they can continue to be reelected to a very powerful position. Is that guy with $500k in cash guilty of something? It’s not even a question. But, there is a process in place to protect citizens from an over bearing justice system.

I don’t know all of the facts of this case, so I’m not going to say who was right or wrong. These “news articles” like to omit information to create sensationalism.
Posted by Great Plains Tiger
Member since Sep 2005
234 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:52 am to
That money looks awfully crisp and unused to have not come straight from a bank.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:53 am to
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Ok cool. Do they wrap them up in blocks like coke? Not saying you cant carry it, but it's red flags that if legitimately retained you can show proof.



Again, you think it is ok to put the burden of proof on the citizen, and not the government.

Do you realize how crazy that it is? To say that is a slippery slope is gargantuan understatement.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57521 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:53 am to
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“All of it is wrapped the same way they wrap cocaine, the same rubber bands, the same style of wrapping, so when you see that you know where that money’s derived from,”


No you don't. You can only speculate, but you do not know for sure.
Posted by Ash Williams
South of i-10
Member since May 2009
18174 posts
Posted on 3/11/19 at 9:54 am to
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This is true, but "reasonable suspicion" is completely subjective on the part of a Barney Fife, GED having motherfricker.


But the warrant to seize it has to be signed by a judge.

If that’s never signed within 72 hours (if there aren’t criminal charges) then a simple letter requesting release is sufficient because the law enforcement agency hasn’t followed procedure and has no legal basis to hold said funds.


But the main point of my post was to inform PHP that law enforcement can’t just seize anything over $2000 just because they want to.
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