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re: Georgia deputies seize over $500,000 in cash during traffic stop
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:07 pm to TOSOV
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:07 pm to TOSOV
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Exactly. Not sure why people are acting like having 500k wrapped up isnt deserving of proof. 10k has been well established for a long time.
What has been established?
There is an anti money laundering statute for banking and financial institutions, but this mysterious obsession with 10k has nothing to do with possessing cash.
You can also bring 10k+ internationally if you declare it.
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Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why should it be?
Because it's atypical and raises questions.
Like them or not, police provide a valuable service.
As it relates to CAF, sure it isn't anywhere near perfect and yes there are outlier cases, but those are not the normal, same as everything in life.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:10 pm to TigerDonk
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If you think like this go to Venezuela, please. The police there behave like you want them to.
Quiet, TigerDonk.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:10 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Because it's atypical and raises questions.
Everything atypical is worthy of police intervention? You're a big government guy, huh?
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:12 pm to ThatMakesSense
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ThatMakesSense
CAF bypasses due process. That is the issue with it. Also there is no standard process to reclaim your property. In many cases it is made intentionally difficult or borderline impossible to vindicate yourself or your property after the fact. Thankfully the Supreme court's recent ruling should offer some injunctive relief.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:20 pm to ThatMakesSense
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I agree. Until you get pulled over driving like an idiot, then its going to be.
Question: Are you okay with getting pulled over and the cop taking all the money in your wallet? Because that is what this equates to.
You are guilty of nothing (other than speeding or whatever reason it is that you were pulled over for), but they can say that your money in your wallet is "drug money." It doesn't matter if it is five dollars or five hundred thousand dollars. They can take it.
Are you okay with that?
I assume that you would not be, but based on some of your responses I am not confident in that assumption. The amount of money is irrelevant when it comes to asset forfeiture I believe.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:22 pm to Breauxsif
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“All of it is wrapped the same way they wrap cocaine, the same rubber bands, the same style of wrapping, so when you see that you know where that money’s derived from,” Paulk said.
Yet, was there any cocaine found in the vehicle?
"You keep the change in your car in neat little piles and lines, and that's the same way cocaine is snorted...in neat lines. Hand it over, sir."
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:27 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Because it's atypical and raises questions.
Like them or not, police provide a valuable service.
As it relates to CAF, sure it isn't anywhere near perfect and yes there are outlier cases, but those are not the normal, same as everything in life.
The point you are missing (intentionally at this point, but I digress) is that it is not being "investigated" by police and then when they find no wrongdoing they give the assets back to the person. Zero people in this thread are saying that if police suspect drug activity and confirm that drug money is present, that the cops should ignore that. But only one or two people are in here saying that the money (i.e. your assets) is guilty until proven innocent, and that the burden of proof is on you to prove that it is, and that that is okay.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:38 pm to touchdownjeebus
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Wait, you just said he was guilty of something.
Because no one in their right mind carries cash like that and is not up to something illegal. But, if you can’t prove that he did something illegal then you can’t seize it or press charges. You’re right, there is nothing illegal about carrying that kind of cash. The cops can’t seize shite without evidence, but that dude was up to something. If the officers seized that money without proof that he was committing a crime, they made an illegal seizure no matter how sure they were that the guy was dirty.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:40 pm to DeafJam73
Lots of pro poker players carry lots of cash and wasn't there a Powerball winner that drove around with half a million in his Escalade? It doesn't matter if you would do it, there is nothing inherently illegal about having a lot of cash.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:44 pm to cable
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Lots of pro poker players carry lots of cash and wasn't there a Powerball winner that drove around with half a million in his Escalade? It doesn't matter if you would do it, there is nothing inherently illegal about having a lot of cash.
You’re right. All that is possible and happens. But I would bet that the likelihood of it being used for illegal reasons are higher. But that in and of itself is not enough for a seizure.
Look, all I’m saying is that that guy was probably up to something sketchy, but without proof, you can’t touch him.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:48 pm to DeafJam73
driving around a a seedy part of town at 1 A.M. might also mean you are looking to pick up a hooker or some coke, but that doesn't give the cops the right to send you to jail just for being in the neighborhood.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:48 pm to MrLarson
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This post was edited on 4/8/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:51 pm to cable
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driving around a a seedy part of town at 1 A.M. might also mean you are looking to pick up a hooker or some coke, but that doesn't give the cops the right to send you to jail just for being in the neighborhood.
So then we’re on the same page.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 1:03 pm to TigerDonk
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There is an anti money laundering statute for banking and financial institutions, but this mysterious obsession with 10k has nothing to do with possessing cash.
It's not about possessing the cash. It's about entering it into (or withdrawing it from) the financial system.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 1:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You can bet cops didn't turn it all in. Why should they
Posted on 3/11/19 at 1:19 pm to ThatMakesSense
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97% of adults use banking services on their smartphones.
Of the ones that use a bank.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 1:49 pm to Cannon style
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You can bet cops didn't turn it all in. Why should they
Because the guy they seize it from verifies it's the correct ammount at the time of the seizure.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 1:52 pm to theenemy
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Because the guy they seize it from verifies it's the correct ammount at the time of the seizure.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 2:03 pm to MrLarson
That's from a bank, I don't think you should be able to seize assets without cause
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