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re: Has Anyone In The Sports Media Ever Heard Of Bart Starr?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:41 pm to trackfan
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:41 pm to trackfan
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The multiple Super Bowl winner picked 200th in his draft, Bart Starr, had a role in the discovery of the multiple Super Bowl winner picked 199th in his, Tom Brady. As head coach of the same Green Bay Packers he once quarterbacked to greatness, Starr was the one who decided that a small-college lineman he had cut from his roster, Dick Rehbein, would make for a heck of an assistant.
Rehbein was the one who decided more than two decades later that Brady would make for a heck of a New England Patriot.
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:42 pm to trackfan
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Can't you say the same thing about Brady. When Brady was hurt in 2008, Belicheck won 11 games with Brady's backup.
Belichick has 1 playoff appearance in 7 seasons without Tom Brady.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:45 pm to trackfan
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The best athletes of an era would have been among the best athletes of any era. The difference between athletes today and athletes 100 years ago is due to improved medicine, nutrition and training, not evolution. Therefore if Jesse Owens, Jim Thorpe, Mickey Mantle, Jim Brown or Roger Staubach were 25 years old today, they would all be bigger, stronger and faster versions of their original selves..
Very intriguing statement. If only there was a way to project what those special athletes you mentioned would have become with said advances of today. Cool point!
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:47 pm to trackfan
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Why is that? These era are only two years apart - 1967 vs 1969.
Playing 154 v 10-14 games
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:13 pm to barry
Tough to rate starr and graham against the modern era when they only had 12 or 13 teams in the League
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:15 pm to trackfan
The media has a very short memory
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:32 pm to trackfan
Bart Starr didn't play against black people.
Seriously though, he had it easy. Have you ever watched an old football game. It's almost comical how slow the game was.
Seriously though, he had it easy. Have you ever watched an old football game. It's almost comical how slow the game was.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:47 pm to VADawg
Yeah but the Browns were legit.
Hell, they were called a basketball team because they passed so much.
So Paul had them run the ball against the Eagles the whole game. Didn't throw one pass. Kicked their arse.
Hell, they were called a basketball team because they passed so much.
So Paul had them run the ball against the Eagles the whole game. Didn't throw one pass. Kicked their arse.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:49 pm to Celery
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Bart Starr didn't play against black people.
Seriously though, he had it easy. Have you ever watched an old football game. It's almost comical how slow the game was.
Ya I don't buy "the best then would be good now" with modern training argument. I'm sure there's a few though.
I think there is a good chance the best athletes of the 30s and 40s weren't even playing at that time. Think about who falls through the cracks even today. Now go back 70 years. How many farm hands, shoe shine boys, etc didn't even attempt sports due to it not even being an opportunity.
Today, pretty much everyone in this country has access. Now add in guys from Africa or the Caribbean that couldn't play here back then. It's just, c'mon man
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 2/3/15 at 12:24 am to trackfan
Roll Tide.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:20 am to LukeSidewalker
I dont care what era it is, what Otto Graham did will never be done again.....10 consecutive championship appearance..... 
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:47 am to saintsfan22
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but strong no on the boxing and bball angle.
damn u dumb then son.
or you are a twenty something.........
yeah there was no marciano, louis, ali, foreman, frazier, holmes, norton before tyson
No russell, chamberlain, cousy, havlicek, west, etc before jordan.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 6:48 am
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:47 am to Celery
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Bart Starr didn't play against black people.
What the hell are you talking about. He played in the 1960's and the NFL was fully integrated by then, with Grambling sending more players to the NFL than LSU or Alabama.
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Seriously though, he had it easy. Have you ever watched an old football game. It's almost comical how slow the game was.
And those old players would have benefitted from modern medicine, nutrition, training and PED's just as much as today's players do.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:50 am to barry
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Playing 154 v 10-14 games
The NFL played a 14-game schedule during all of the Packers' championship years.
EDIT: Babe Ruth never played against Black or Hispanic players but his accomplishments get compared to those of modern players, while Starr played in a fully integrated NFL and his accomplishments are pooh-poohed. I would compare Otto Graham to guys like Ruth and Ty Cobb, but I would compare Starr to athletes from his era, like Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Sandy Koufax, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Jerry West.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 6:57 am
Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:22 am to trackfan
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What the hell are you talking about. He played in the 1960's and the NFL was fully integrated by then, with Grambling sending more players to the NFL than LSU or Alabama.
Not to mention that he played with Willie Wood, Herb Adderley, Lionel Aldridge, Elijah Pitts, Dave Robinson, etc..
And if you think he had it easy because he had Hornung and Taylor, remember that he had to run Vince Lombardi's team. He was one of the most demanding and unforgiving coaches ever. He'd bench you if you didn't do your job. He'd trade you if you'd request a pay raise. The fact that he survived for a decade under him and never faced any issues, benchings or discipline is amazing.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 9:19 am to TheWalrus
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In any objectively measured event (track and field/swimming, etc.), the times of today absolutely dwarf those from 50 years ago. How people can still compare athletes from those eras today is nonsensical.
The Now Is Always Better Argument is equally nonsensical. Here are a list of track and field records that are all older than a decade, listed by year set:
2005: 10,000m
2004: 5,000m
1999: 400m, 1000m, mile
1998: 1500m
1996: shotput, javelin
1995: triple jump
1993: high jump, 4X400m
1992: 400m hurdles
1991: long jump
1986: discus, hammer throw
If it weren't for the existence of Usain Bolt, the 200 amd 100m records from the 90s would also likely stand. Athletes got much "better" from 1950 to about 1990 for a variety of reasons, but most notably improved equipment and travel. There is no way today's coddled stars could compete in the same conditions as older athletes, particularly in regards to difficult travel.
The actual objective quality of athletic performance in measurable times has noticeably plateaued since the 1990s, and that's with even more increase in technology and nutrition. Which would suggest the athletes of the 1990s were the greatest of all time, objectively speaking. This makes John Elway the greatest quarterback ever, if we're playing the era game.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 10:12 am to Buckeye Backer
Graham also played for probably the most innovative coach in NFL history. He was so far ahead of the rest of the coaches that Belicheck and Saban look like grad students compared to him.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 10:16 am to Baloo
IMO, the biggest improvement in track and field is the synthetic tracks.
In 1936, Jesse Owens set the world record in the long jump at the Big Ten Championships. His mark stood as the world record for 25 years, the Big Ten record until 2010, the school record until 2013 and would have won the 2014 NCAA Championships.
In 1934, LSU's Glen "Slats" Hardin set the world record in the 400-meter hurdles at a meet in Stockholm, Sweden. His mark stood for the record for 19 years and would have placed him 5th at the 2014 NCAA Championships.
Neither Owens nor Hardin ever competed on a synthetic track, nor did they benefit from legal PED's (eg. creatine), not to mention the illegal ones, and it goes without saying that their travel and training methods were very primitive by today's standards.
Allow these things to sink in for a second and think what they might have been capable of if they had been born 80 years later.
In 1936, Jesse Owens set the world record in the long jump at the Big Ten Championships. His mark stood as the world record for 25 years, the Big Ten record until 2010, the school record until 2013 and would have won the 2014 NCAA Championships.
In 1934, LSU's Glen "Slats" Hardin set the world record in the 400-meter hurdles at a meet in Stockholm, Sweden. His mark stood for the record for 19 years and would have placed him 5th at the 2014 NCAA Championships.
Neither Owens nor Hardin ever competed on a synthetic track, nor did they benefit from legal PED's (eg. creatine), not to mention the illegal ones, and it goes without saying that their travel and training methods were very primitive by today's standards.
Allow these things to sink in for a second and think what they might have been capable of if they had been born 80 years later.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 11:34 am to Jcorye1
Back in the 60's the guys got paid little and most worked other jobs in the off season. Today it's football and training 365. It was a completely different time but great athletes in each era still should get the respect they deserve.
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