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When do we start holding the legal profession accountable?

Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:24 pm
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
1155 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:24 pm
On the one hand, you have DAs and judges releasing a contract killer after 2 years of a 15 year sentence, and the guy goes on and murders 14 people and wounds 28 more. See post on Birmingham contract killer.

On the other hand, you have politically motivated DAs who can "get an indictment against a ham sandwich". The Soros DA in Austin was rejected by multiple grand juries - at least 4 IIRC - before finally dragging Daniel Perry into a kangaroo court where evidence was intentionally withheld.

For the cherry on top, you can't last in any kind of profitable business for more than a few years without having to defend a frivolous lawsuit. We all pay for that every single day in the price of everything we buy.

The Bar has not done a thing, and won't, to any of these people. At some point, do we accept that the legal profession is incapable of policing itself and needs external regulation? We have done that for the once-untouchable medical profession, perhaps to too great a degree, but even most of that stems from out of control lawyers.

So, how do we hold them accountable? You can't expect perfection from judges or DAs, so extreme punishments are out, but there should be both a cumulative penalty and lesser incremental penalties, and in extreme cases like the Birmingham hit man, punishment should be severe. For example, for every criminal a judge lets go early that commits another serious crime, the judge's pay is docked.

If a DA wrongly sends someone to jail AND it is shown that evidence was intentionally withheld or there was other misconduct, disbarment should be on the table.

I'll hang up now and listen to the shitshow.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15977 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:26 pm to
quote:

If a DA wrongly sends someone to jail AND it is shown that evidence was intentionally withheld or there was other misconduct, disbarment should be on the table.


Disbarment is on the table in that situation.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
7545 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:29 pm to
For starters there are too many. Too many leads to increased competition to survive. Shady and unethical things then occur to survive. It’s not an honorable profession.
Posted by _Hurricane_
Somewhere
Member since Feb 2016
7369 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:32 pm to
We need to have both tough DA’s and pay Public Defender’s better. That second part may be unpopular here, but PD’s are very important.

The criminal justice system only works when both sides are putting up their best fight.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
43179 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:32 pm to
Gordon out here saying if you get the baby you can sue.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
1155 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

Disbarment is on the table in that situation.


Never heard of it happening. It has been clearly documented in the Daniel Perry case as just one example of many. Are there stats on disbarments by the ABA? Honest question.....
Posted by NFLSU
Screwston, Texas
Member since Oct 2014
18950 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:35 pm to
Ever seen Law Abiding Citizen…?
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28446 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:36 pm to
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For the cherry on top, you can't last in any kind of profitable business for more than a few years without having to defend a frivolous lawsuit. W




quote:

For example, for every criminal a judge lets go early that commits another serious crime, the judge's pay is docked.


You're removing the personal accountability of the criminal from the equation.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138208 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:37 pm to
Judges are much worse than attorneys.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
15772 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:38 pm to
the legal profession is too busy protecting folks from the legal profession to be accountable
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
13551 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

For example, for every criminal a judge lets go early that commits another serious crime, the judge's pay is docked.


You don't even have to dock the pay. Just allow them to be sued.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86361 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:43 pm to
Judges have judicial immunity.


If we want change you have to be able to sue them for their decisions.



This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86361 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

You're removing the personal accountability of the criminal from the equation.



Are we?

Because it seems like it’s the judges doing that.

I have no authority to sentence them longer.


If it were up to me Jamal wouldn’t have 17 arrests. He’d been done at 3.

This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25932 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

If a DA wrongly sends someone to jail AND it is shown that evidence was intentionally withheld or there was other misconduct, disbarment should be on the table.


Criminal charges and jail time should be on the table
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
5559 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

For the cherry on top, you can't last in any kind of profitable business for more than a few years without having to defend a frivolous lawsuit.


Only part I disagree with… businesses need the threat of lawsuits… can’t trust the theory the business will fail natural
Posted by BiggerBear
Redbone Country
Member since Sep 2011
3146 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

If we want change you have to be able to sue them for their decisions.


So, the answer to too many frivolous suits is more frivolous suits?
Posted by TigerReich
Member since Dec 2024
803 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:07 pm to
What makes a frivolous lawsuit? Because it’s happening to you?

Ever heard of a frivolous defense? Legitimate claims get denied constantly for no other reason than to save insurance company $$$
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
20069 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:07 pm to
We have a tradition of prosecutorial discretion. There are virtually no checks and balances on that, which is an incredible amount of power.

Whenever I’ve spoken with prosecutors about the lack of checks and balances I’ve consistently heard that nobody would prosecute crimes if they could be held accountable for unforeseen circumstances that end up with bad results. They say that ultimately the prosecutors office would become the PD’s office.


In other words, the only prosecutors would be soft on crime libs.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51068 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:09 pm to
As a lawyer, I count on the OT to hold me accountable.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:21 pm to
At some point we need to figure out a way to solve the gap between the resources the state/fed has and the resources the accused has. It's absolutely insane that the government can just beat people into submission using endless funding.
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