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re: Anyone here use Natural Family Planning?

Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
14167 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:56 pm to
As a lifelong catholic, the catholic church needs to be dismantled. It is far too corrupt and the child sex thing is deplorable. Yet these people are going to tell me how to live my life (riddled with catholic guilt).
Posted by Ex-Popcorn
Member since Nov 2005
2143 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:57 pm to
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You also have to be disciplined with the Pill (take it at the same time every day).

For some reason one is mocked and the other is celebrated


One is mocked because of the invisible man in the sky part...not the science part.
Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:00 pm to
My wife and I did, for a time. It’s how we wound-up with our second child. We weren’t very good at it.
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
1966 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:02 pm to
What is the difference of pulling out, or NFP? And really don’t see the difference between any other form of contraception. So, if you do it naturally enough, God’s OK with it… its just some human made theology.

But you don’t wanna piss God off, he did kill Onan for not nutting in his sister-in-law.

Sure, scripture supports being fruitful, but it doesn’t support being irresponsible.

Many of these verses where this theology can be derived from are neighboring awful prescriptions on the same topic, like nutting in your brothers wife, or being unclean if you nut that day. And then even more awful prescriptions not on the subject that people do not adopt today.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:05 pm to
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But you don’t wanna piss God off, he did kill Onan for not nutting in his sister-in-law.



He killed Onan for using her to get his rocks off. He could have simply deferred to a junior relative (Boaz wasn't the first in line, but he married Ruth).
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57472 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:06 pm to
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Everyone I know that used NFP has like 8-9 kids.
do people not understand that this is the point?


The idea is that to be Catholic are to raise their kids Catholics. What is a better way to spread Catholicism than to have your people have more people. So tell them not to use contraception and use "Natural planning" lol.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 2:55 pm
Posted by cheobode
Member since Dec 2017
1173 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:07 pm to
I find it's another way for the Catholic church to have some sort of control over your lives. My wife hates condoms, birth control wrecks havoc on her libido so we just use the pull out method. We have three kids and only tried for three kids so it's worked for us in the 18 years we've been together.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63191 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:07 pm to
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What is the difference of pulling out, or NFP?


You're asking the difference between pulling out and finishing inside?
Posted by RGJ18
Collierville, TN
Member since Feb 2010
8699 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:07 pm to
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Like this is a bad thing?

Not necessarily. But it’s acting like a moral authority when it’s really all about the business.
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Also how are they obsessed with sex?

Well, this thread topic. And condemning all contraception when more than half the women in the church are on BC. There’s also kind of a big child sex scandal.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 2:54 pm
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
700 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:15 pm to
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Anyone here use Natural Family Planning?
Yes. Wound up with twins, naturally.
Posted by Jenious
Member since Apr 2020
413 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:17 pm to
I really never understood the whole point of NFP. I mean, isn't it a form of birth control? I get being "open to life" but if you're charting and doing all this stuff to not get pregnant, that doesn't really seem like you're open to much life. Putting a LOT of effort into a child you're not ready for. Why not just go balls to the wall and say frick it?
Posted by UnitedFruitCompany
Bay Area
Member since Nov 2018
3407 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:18 pm to
They don't call it Vatican Roulette for nothing. Plan accordingly.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5048 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:18 pm to
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But it’s acting like a moral authority when it’s really all about the business. quote


It’s about the continuation of the church.
In other places in the us most Catholics send their kids to public school

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And condemning all birth control when more than half the women in the women in the church are on it.


So because the human congregation is full of sinners the church shouldn’t condemn the sin?
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
4291 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:20 pm to
Baw, live free and die hard

After you are married young lad if she gets knocked up, so be it.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
35553 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:24 pm to
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I really never understood the whole point of NFP. I mean, isn't it a form of birth control? I get being "open to life" but if you're charting and doing all this stuff to not get pregnant, that doesn't really seem like you're open to much life. Putting a LOT of effort into a child you're not ready for. Why not just go balls to the wall and say frick it?


It is always a sight to see when religions make up weird rules and then come up with even weirder exceptions to the rule that make about zero sense.


They will tell you nfp is 100% effective if done correctly, and that’s somehow open to life, but taking the pill, which is only 99% effective even when taken correctly, is forbidden.

Like that wire that runs around manhattan that lets Jews get around sabbath rules.

Posted by Weagle89
Member since Jun 2020
28 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:26 pm to
If I recall correctly in a “normal”cycle there are about 8 days when she is fertile so if you are trying to not have kids that is your abstinence time. Unfortunately as nature dictates that is when she is most amorous so it can be tough. Other than that I have much longer than 8 day dry spells in my younger days so it’s manageable
Posted by Jenious
Member since Apr 2020
413 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:32 pm to
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It is always a sight to see when religions make up weird rules and then come up with even weirder exceptions to the rule that make about zero sense.


During our pre-cana class, they had an anonymous question box and someone legit asked if blowjobs were a sin. The class teachers(married couple with 9 kids) said no but the male has to finish inside the wife. In a marriage retreat that we went to, same question was asked and the priest leading the class said that all forms of oral sex shall be forbidden. Like, make up your goddamn minds here.
Posted by RGJ18
Collierville, TN
Member since Feb 2010
8699 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:35 pm to
Yeah it’s tough for me to consider contraception a sin when I’m married. Even when I’m not married. Who cares. You can disagree with the church on things and still be a part of it, you know.

All I’m saying is the church doesn’t have to push all this down our throats, but they do. And then when scandals happen it’s a big foot in mouth moment.
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
12433 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:35 pm to
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If I recall correctly in a “normal”cycle there are about 8 days when she is fertile


Are you supposed to count the time she’s bleeding as time for sex?

Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35553 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:35 pm to
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During our pre-cana class, they had an anonymous question box and someone legit asked if blowjobs were a sin. The class teachers(married couple with 9 kids) said no but the male has to finish inside the wife. In a marriage retreat that we went to, same question was asked and the priest leading the class said that all forms of oral sex shall be forbidden. Like, make up your goddamn minds here.


They just make it up on the spot.

I remember back in catholic school days kids would always ask questions about which sex acts were or weren’t a sin and to a person each religion teacher/nun/priest/etc would have varying and contradictory answers.
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