re: Dudes dropping out of dating game.

Saw a documentary where they surveyed people after speed dating events. The only statistically significant attraction variable for women was a man’s height. (It wasn’t even asked directly but measured after the event). Perceived wealth, looks, conversation skills etc we’re not as important.

I say that as one of average height, and while the above may be true it’s sort of relative. For a 5’ woman the vast majority of men are “tall.” For short women they may feel awkward with a 6’5 dude.

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So... rent a super nice, furnished house for a month, have a few dollars to take them to dinner, have hair, be 6 feet tall, and you can bang all the tinder meat you want.

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You forgot the “be leftist, have friends, and don’t be a creep” part

If all else fails, just become Mormon. The entire purpose of the faith is procreation, so it’s easy to find a mate that way. I may do this if things get grim enough.

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Why do you do that to yourself? frick a dating site.

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That feels like the only viable option nowadays...

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quote:Yet, getting even a 3/10 to reply to me is like pulling teeth. Then if they do reply, it's nearly impossible to get a conversation going without them ghosting (even a 3/10). Then if you're able to get a good conversation going, there's like a 50% chance of getting ghosted when it's time to ask for a date. Then, if you're able to get a date, the chances of you both liking the date AND her replying positively to your follow-up text feels like climbing Mount Everest. This is 100% accurate. And while I do agree that a lot of modern women have delusional and insanely unreasonable expectations, the dating apps are HEAVILY a woman's market. First three months, I was getting what I thought to be a good number of matches. Then I talked with some of my female friends who are also on the app (both attractive and non-attractive) and the amount of matches/messages they would receive was 20 times that of mine. Don't take the "ghosting" personal. A lot of these women, especially the above average ones, are getting 50 message per day. They don't have time to actively have meaningful conversations with each person messaging them. Pair that with the likely 20+ messages per day they get of "Hey lil mamma, when can I get that holla?" Being a male using dating apps is gonna be luck of the draw. I've found better success randomly meeting women in person.

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Notice to younger guys: the dating apps are 6 guys to every 1 girl.

You want a girl that isnt overweight...now its 12 guys to every one non-overweight girl

Of those non overweight girls, probably half of those are there to lap up IG and OF simps...now you are down to 24 guys to every 1 dateable girl.

Even if you get in her messages, you are now on her roster reserve list from which she already has 5 date offers.

Unless you are actually a Chad(with legit looks/height or wealth that is obvious from pictures) then dont feed the beast. If you cant get a date from a 5 or higher in 2 weeks, delete the shite. You will
save yourself so much time from being strung along.

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Elon Musk is another one. A portion of his kids will be fricked for sure.

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Elon can have all the kids he wants. I hope the mates like Ghengis Khan

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That feels like the only viable option nowadays...

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how is that? I guess if you are the stay at home type then yes... but its no different than 20 years ago if you dont go out and try and find women they arent going to just show up at your house. the dating app just gives the illusion that you could meet someone if you are the average guy which we know is not true.

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Wanting to is the secret...but the woman has to be interested in that connection as well. Most young men want sex and emotional connection is secondary at best. Most learn to pretend otherwise and eventually mature to the point where that connection is their main goal. Young women, however, seem to have as their goal the desire to get whatever they can or to belittle a young man. There is no way that is satisfying for them but somehow thats what their culture has taught them.

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It cuts both ways.... but it doesn't. This is why the old model worked. Men, biologically, are driven by testosterone to procreate. Young men want sex - not REALLY consciously, but because they are hormone-loaded males. Breaking men out of that - means breaking them and their drive (oh look at all the calls that "men aren't men," and "men are weak," out there, gee I wonder why?)

Females were supposed to be the "control," be more selective, not give in to the sex drive, because it's generally lower, and socially create a space for men to reel in their base desires, create a family, and let men drive hard for THAT reason, rather than just sex. Sex with. purpose - building a family.


Feminism killed all that... and here we are as a culture. It made women think that's what THEY want, put base desire appeasement at the forefront of both sexes. You play into the worst parts of male drive, just wanting to get laid - and reduce safe, family social structures.

Congrats Feminists!

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I don't know if I've heard one story of a friend just like casually meeting their partner (more than just a hookup) at a bar nowadays

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If you're young 20s probably not, since they seem to not go out at all. But 30s+ people still go out and socialize.

Walk into Superior Grill bar area pretty much any night of the week and tell me it's not packed to the gills with people.

Thing is, you can't just go to one place on one night and say, "It didn't work". You pick a place or two, and you make it your place. Stop by after work, have a couple drinks, maybe an appetizer. Become familiar with the staff, who will then chat with you and treat you like a regular.

Then, you'll start to meet other patrons. You'll feel more comfortable talking to people because you're in a comfortable place with people you know. And in turn, women will feel safe chatting back. They won't think you're a "creeper" when the bartenders are shooting the shite with you and you seem well liked.

It's a long game, and you have to truly enjoy doing this kind of thing (or be good at faking it), but I personally never understand people who wouldn't enjoy that anyway. I am married and do it all the time because I enjoy a drink or two in the afternoon.

^ None of this works, though, if you're a bit of a weirdo or come off autistic of something. I've realized that when this topic comes up on Reddit, a lot of those dudes are actually weird as hell and these sorts of tricks won't work for weirdos.

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None of this works, though, if you're a bit of a weirdo or come off autistic of something

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Or if you’re just quiet/shy. That’s the biggest reason that the passport bros are all nerdy dudes, they look for women in cultures that are more tolerant of quiet types, such as Asians. Saying “hello” to a stranger would make you more outgoing than 99% of Tokyo.