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re: Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 11:58 am to Lou Pai
Posted on 9/24/23 at 11:58 am to Lou Pai
quote:Since this is about the 10th or 12th thread plus about 50 posts in other threads bitching about the end of game clock management since the game ended, some of which were on the ScoreBoard and didn't transfer to the Rant, I'd say there's been plenty of criticism about the clock management.
Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 11:58 am to Lou Pai
There were like 50 threads on the SB last night about it and the general consensus was that it was terrible clock management 
Posted on 9/24/23 at 11:59 am to Lou Pai
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and you use another of your two remaining timeout on 0:01 for the kick. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Agreed.
BK's approach last night was not perfect. But is was neither disgraceful, disastrous, nor dangerous. Acceptable, but not excellent.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:00 pm to tygerphan
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If you look at the three plays and three timeouts called before the FG, what, specifically, should he have done differently?
1st down - center the ball for the kicker
2nd and 3rd down - take a knee and call timeout with 3 seconds left.
4th down - kick the FG as clock expires. No kickoff, game over.
I could even forgive him for leaving time on the clock if he wanted to kick on 3rd down in case of a bad snap. I wouldn't agree with it, but I could at least wrap my head around the logic.
But what we did instead was waste a final timeout on 3rd down, and had to throw a pass OOB to burn time off the clock instead of kneeling it because we didn't have any timeouts left, and the ball was spotted at the left hash mark on 4th down for the kicker (the worst spot imaginable), with time left so we had to kickoff to Arkansas after the fact.
I just don't see how anyone can look at that sequence of events and go "yeah that's all reasonable".
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:00 pm to Tiger Phil
Ask John Elway if he regrets leaving time for a kickoff after the go-ahead FG at the end of the Cal-Stanford game in 1982. When you have a chance to win on the very last play, you grab it and leave no chance for the other team.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:01 pm to TommyDaTiger
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Les Miles has lost control over the clock operator
After the first TO.... Les would have had JD spike the ball to stop the clock, until it was 4th down and then call another TO before attempting a FG.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:05 pm to Lou Pai
I have not rewatched it ..but can someone recap this and explain it to me like I'm 5.. from what I recall... BK let the clock run down to 1 sec and called 3 timeouts like that.. obviously I'm misremembering what should have been done.. Thanks
ETA.. nevermind
. explained in post below
ETA.. nevermind
. explained in post below
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:06 pm to tygerphan
Are you in high school? You just start following football?
The issue is pretty clear. We had a 1st and goal with 2 timeouts and the ability if played correctly to run every last second out and then kick a fg.
1st down play call and our second time out of the half was used fine. The issue was the 2nd down play should have been a run or kneel to get in the middle of the field, then line up and on 3rd down kneel, then with 2 or 3 seconds left call a time out and kick the field goal win the game with Arkansas having a 0.0 chance of winning.
Instead we used a time out after second down, then had to throw a pass on 3rd down which meant we left our kicker a poor angle and we failed to run the clock down enough. This allowed a kick off which our special teams has been special needs and allowed them to throw a Hail Mary. This could have resulted in a pi or arky breaking free and winning.
It was a completely avoidable issue that our 10M dollar 30 year coach fricked up.
The other issue is for sustainability you need a good process which doesn’t focus on outcome. The same shut Saban and Kirby preach.
The issue is pretty clear. We had a 1st and goal with 2 timeouts and the ability if played correctly to run every last second out and then kick a fg.
1st down play call and our second time out of the half was used fine. The issue was the 2nd down play should have been a run or kneel to get in the middle of the field, then line up and on 3rd down kneel, then with 2 or 3 seconds left call a time out and kick the field goal win the game with Arkansas having a 0.0 chance of winning.
Instead we used a time out after second down, then had to throw a pass on 3rd down which meant we left our kicker a poor angle and we failed to run the clock down enough. This allowed a kick off which our special teams has been special needs and allowed them to throw a Hail Mary. This could have resulted in a pi or arky breaking free and winning.
It was a completely avoidable issue that our 10M dollar 30 year coach fricked up.
The other issue is for sustainability you need a good process which doesn’t focus on outcome. The same shut Saban and Kirby preach.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:08 pm to yaherrdme
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BK let the clock run down to 1 sec and called 3 timeouts like that.. obviously I'm misremembering what should have been done.. Thanks
He's not forced to call timeout. He can just keep kneeling and letting the clock run. The reason we had to throw a pass OOB on 3rd down instead of running the ball or kneeling to get the clock down to 3 seconds or so was because we had no timeouts, because he burned them all unnecessarily.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:13 pm to tygerphan
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I don't understand. If you look at the three plays and three timeouts called before the FG, what, specifically, should he have done differently?
What I don't understand is how some people don't see that there was a much better and safer option than what he did.
I haven't coached a day in my life and I know what to do there. This guy gets paid 10 million and didn't do the most obvious thing to do right there.
Miles would have been crucified by the media, this site, and everyone on the planet
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:17 pm to Deactived
It was a 100 percent les miles move and he either didn’t know he could run time out which is bad or he lost count of his time outs also bad.
I’m not sure how anyone could have any faith in BK winning us a NC.
I’d say hiring a guy that has no nc after all this time coaching was a bad move.
The man looks like he is on a retirement tour.
I’m not sure how anyone could have any faith in BK winning us a NC.
I’d say hiring a guy that has no nc after all this time coaching was a bad move.
The man looks like he is on a retirement tour.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:23 pm to Tiger Phil
If his intentions were to kick field goal then on third down you take a knee or run to where you prefer to kick from.
Let clock run to 3 seconds then time out.
Don’t give Arkansas a chance.
Don’t care that you call it a realistic chance.
The end of game clock management was Les Miles bad.
Let clock run to 3 seconds then time out.
Don’t give Arkansas a chance.
Don’t care that you call it a realistic chance.
The end of game clock management was Les Miles bad.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:25 pm to Tiger Phil
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Arkansas did not have a realistic chance at victory.
But they did have a chance and that’s why what Kelly did was so perplexing.
I can’t think of a single good reason why the winning FG was not the last play of the game
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:26 pm to Lou Pai
Because many on this board are too dumb to realize how bad the clock management was.
Shouldn’t have handed the ball off twice and it was so bad we had to try to burn clock with a pass. What if we had a bad snap and JD had to fall on the ball. It was pretty elementary on how to handle the clock and we screwed it up. Game should have ended on fg and we should’ve had 1 TO left.
Shouldn’t have handed the ball off twice and it was so bad we had to try to burn clock with a pass. What if we had a bad snap and JD had to fall on the ball. It was pretty elementary on how to handle the clock and we screwed it up. Game should have ended on fg and we should’ve had 1 TO left.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:27 pm to Tiger Phil
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Not a REALISTIC chance. How often to 60+ yard hail marys work?
But the point is, why did he give them any chance at all?
Let’s say Hail Marys have a 1% chance. That’s still a whole lot better than 0%. Which would have been their chance if we kicked the FG as the final play of the game.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:28 pm to cajunsax62
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Take a knee on first down, let 40 seconds run off the clock. Take a knee on second down, let 40 seconds run off the clock. Take a knee on third down, call a time out with 2 seconds left in the game.
On third down we had no timeouts remaining.
Final sequence of plays:
2:24 left - Diggs runs to the 7 and picks up the first. Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls first timeout.
1:44 left - 1st down at the 7- short run (takes longer than kneeling). Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls 2nd TO. 59 seconds left on the clock.
:59 left. 2nd down at the 4 - short run (takes longer than kneeling). Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls 3rd TO. 11 seconds left.
:11 left - no timeouts left - pass out of EZ. 8 seconds left.
How is that different/worse than kneeling it? What am I missing?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:31 pm to Big4SALTbro
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Yep, too bad we don’t have a competent media to follow up and ask him exactly how he got in that situation
Oh go listen to the post game press conference
He was asked and his answer made it even worse.
Keep saying he managed the time outs the way he did so Ark would get the ball back with a chance. Yet that’s exactly what he allowed to happen.
Was a really terrible answer and completely the opposite of what actually happened.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:34 pm to tygerphan
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I don't understand. If you look at the three plays and three timeouts called before the FG, what, specifically, should he have done differently?
1. Not call the last time out after second down. Run right up the middle in theirs down. If we don’t get TD, call the final time out of 4th down with 2 seconds left. Kick FG as time expires.
Or
Save the time out and kick the FG on throws down so if there is a ba d snap or penalty, we can call the last TO and reckick as time expires.
There were multiple ways to handle it and BK chose the worst way.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:37 pm to Tiger Phil
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But is was neither disgraceful, disastrous, nor dangerous. Acceptable, but not excellent.
True it wasn’t disgraceful.
It was not disastrous because we won. Had Ark got a good kick return, hit the Hail Mary and won, it would have Ben disastrous
Thus it was absolutely dangerous.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:38 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Good grief. Some folks just gotta find reasons to complain. How BK managed the last 2 minutes worked and THAT is what counts.
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