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re: Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?

Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:07 pm to
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It’s very legit criticism. Just because we won, doesn’t make how BK managed the clock acceptable.



Every single coach is going to have a clock management gaffe eventually. If it becomes a trend then that's cause for concern. Otherwise people are making a mountain out of a molehill.
Posted by lsuohiofan
Alliance,Ohio
Member since Oct 2011
1503 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:10 pm to
Arky had no to's and we either scored TD or Field Goal or OT. But he did not leave Arky any time. I think it was good end of game management.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
17289 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:12 pm to
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On third down we had no timeouts remaining.

Final sequence of plays:

2:24 left - Diggs runs to the 7 and picks up the first. Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls first timeout.

1:44 left - 1st down at the 7- short run (takes longer than kneeling). Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls 2nd TO. 59 seconds left on the clock.

:59 left. 2nd down at the 4 - short run (takes longer than kneeling). Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls 3rd TO. 11 seconds left.

:11 left - no timeouts left - pass out of EZ. 8 seconds left.

How is that different/worse than kneeling it? What am I missing?


Had he not used the timeouts beforehand he could have kneeled on 3rd down instead of needing to throw a pass to waste a few seconds, had a timeout to use at 3 seconds remaining in the game and the FG would have been the last play of the game and not have to kick back off to Arkansas to have any shot at a hail mary or kick return. That's what you're missing.

The fact that Arkansas was unsuccessful in converting a kick return or hail mary doesn't override the fact that letting them have a chance to attempt one at all was due to poor clock management. We've seen times where teams do convert hail marys when the opponent left clock after a FG (Bluegrass Miracle, Cal/Stanford band play, etc). There's no reason to even allow a chance, as low % as it might be, when you have the choice to give them a 0% chance.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
10889 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:13 pm to
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I don't understand. If you look at the three plays and three timeouts called before the FG, what, specifically, should he have done differently?


We had four downs and called our last timeout before third down.

Sequence starting at 1st down is:
Run Play
2nd Time out to tell JD Run Plays snapped at 2 on PClock, I’ll call the timeout before 4th down kick. Do NOT Score.
Run Play
Run Play
Final TO with 2-4 sec left
FG
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
3947 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:13 pm to
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This shouldn’t be hard at all LSU had the ability to run every second down and we didn’t because of piss poor management


Yeah. Just because it worked out in the end doesn’t mean it was good coaching.

Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
17289 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:14 pm to
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But he did not leave Arky any time.


They got to run a final play. So yes, he did leave them time.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
3947 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:15 pm to
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But he did not leave Arky any time


Really??? Who had the ball with a chance to win on the last play
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67591 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:15 pm to
Can you do simple math?

Give me 1 reason to hand the ball off twice then throw a pass to burn time when all we had to do was save a TO for after 3rd down and not give them the ball back.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39433 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:24 pm to
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We can be happy we won but still admit it was misplayed. We gave Arkansas a shot at a kick return and a hail mary against our defense that had been struggling.

This is correct. It was miscoached, but it wasn’t a big deal. Their chances increased from 0% to 0.1%. Not good coaching but not terribly important when compared to the fabulous coaching and play calling that got us to the seven yard line with complete control of the game.
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
2764 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:26 pm to
This clock thing is way overblown

He’s an analytics guy

Chip shot FG is 95% and you run the clock out

Our defense didn’t warrant trust

He made the right call to win the game
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
90554 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

He’s an analytics guy

Chip shot FG is 95% and you run the clock out

Our defense didn’t warrant trust


quote:

He made the right call to win the game



Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14926 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:29 pm to
We were 17 point favorites the mismanagement of the time outs and clock were icing on the cake.

Also hard to win titles when you can’t do basic things like clock management
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56367 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:30 pm to
You asked why call a TO on first.

Can you focus?
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11172 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Posted byMessageLou PaiWhy isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management? by Lou Paiquote:Because there were several ways to handle that situation.

The way I see it, there was only one acceptable way to handle the situation



What about punching in a td? Go up 7 and make the other team go the length of the field and have to score a td, in under a minute. That’s not terrible. Youre as likely to miss a fg as you are to give up the 80 yard drive.
Or maybe you run some clock and then punch it in on 3rd with timeout and fg option on 4th if needed. (that’s what I would have done) . Like I said, several decent options. Don’t act like Les miles just clocked the ball on 4th down or something that level.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
2688 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:31 pm to
Uhh, because he doesn’t deserve it. We held the ball for the last 5 minutes of the game. Got into FG position, made the field goal, won the game with 5 seconds on the clock. What is there to criticize.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28131 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:34 pm to
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He’s an analytics guy


He may think he is, but he clearly isn't, in-game. This situation was plain as day, and it amazes me so many are struggling to grasp it. There are some very slight differences in the way you can go about this (when you choose to take your timeout, how you go about kneeling it, where you place the ball to set your kicker up) but the outcome is clear as can be. We should have been kicking a FG with 1 second left.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Quatrepot
Member since Jun 2023
4053 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:38 pm to
Cause Timeouts ain’t no good on Sundays.
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2487 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

Or could have tried to kneel and center the kick


To me, this was the play. I was disappointed to not see it, but to say that it was severely misplaced is focusing on a couple worst case scenario type results without also taking the alternative's negative possibilities into account as well.

Every decision has a possible negative outcome. Then it becomes a zero sum game, and you pick the decision that has the lowest probability for a catastrophic outcome.

Kicking off isn't nearly the gamble it used to be since they moved the ball up.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67591 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:40 pm to
Ok why call a TO after getting a 1st down then after 1st and 2nd downs? We didn’t need to call one between 1st and 2nd down. Every week there are examples of how to kick a fg with no time left. If you have the ball with 2min left you should never give the other team the ball back
Posted by Quatrepot
Member since Jun 2023
4053 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:41 pm to
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We should have been kicking a FG with 1 second left.
Did time left on click; down & distance, allow for us to?
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