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re: Wildfires on Maui Island - Evacuations - People Fleeing into Ocean

Posted on 8/9/23 at 4:57 pm to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/9/23 at 4:57 pm to
The cause for this one should be interesting when they determine what it was. That's a whole lot of urban loss. You can track it in blocks (houses/property) via satellite. Each structure shows up on hot spot detection.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 4:58 pm
Posted by CSATiger
The Battlefield
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:22 pm to
here are lots of pics

LINK
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25819 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:32 pm to
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Have you been there? February is a great time to see whales, as well. we went on a whale-watching tour, too.


Yes, the Hyatt Regency is where we stay for the Maui Invitational which we go to every time Duke plays. So I have only been to Maui at Thanksgiving, the hotel has a nice Thanksgiving spread with both traditional T-giving food and local delights. We prefer Kauai for normal vacations and have been there probably in every month of the year we like to mix it up because snorkeling and diving are better off different sides of the island at different times of the year.

Maui has the captive penguins and Kauai has the wild chickens.

Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37577 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:35 pm to
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People Fleeing into Ocean


Seems a bit dramatic no?
Posted by La Squared
Southwest LA
Member since Feb 2012
471 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:36 pm to
From the pics I’ve seen the tree is still standing. Sad situation.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54744 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:41 pm to
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Seems a bit dramatic no?

People generally aren't fireproof, and if there is ever a time to panic it is when flames are rolling down your street.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30624 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 6:27 pm to
Oahu has a wild chicken problem too, The Wife and I spent half the trip at the Moana Surfrider on Waikiki and half at the Hyatt Regency on Maui. We're not OT ballers so that trip is not something we can do often, especially with a kid in grad school. Had a few friends say how much they like Kauai though.

We did love Maui (both really but Maui was more laid-back feeling than Honolulu). We didn't take the road to Hana all the way but went to an arboretum roughly halfway there. I think it was called the Garden of Eden Arboretum. The drive was spectacular and the arboretum was very nice. Enjoyed that day quite a bit.

Posted by Rabby
Member since Mar 2021
584 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 6:46 pm to
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One problem is that we have taken land/fire management out of the hands of Native people/tribes. They spent generations managing the land with fire. They know more about doing this than probably any other entity. That has been curbed significantly over the decades.
From what I saw when living and frequently diving in other islands in the Pacific Rim, much of the local controlled burn practice was done by poachers using fire to chase animals into clearings rather than responsibly managing anything. The run-off of the charred debris and acidic ash slurry were being blamed for coral bleaching, so there are conflicting opinions about this native practice of random self-serving burning being all that beneficial.
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
838 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:07 pm to
We went right after the last hurricane brushed the island in 2019. Oddly enough they had wildfires just outside of town that time. Sounds like unfortunately they didn’t take measures to prevent another fire.

From the looks of the photos our favorite watering hole down the hatch has been completely destroyed.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37716 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:23 pm to
Those are Gamecocks ... or, as the natives say, fighting red jungle fowl that were released by other pacific asians as sporting game birds hundreds of years ago.

My wife and I had a condo on the Ala Wai canal (on the golf course) overlooking Waikiki and Diamond Head for years but ... we used to hop the other islands when we had the time.

The wife spoke with a friend over there this morning .... this fire is bad and, no one is saying it in the press but, the locals are saying all three fires were set by arsonists strategically and intentionally. There's no other explanation. She told my wife that everyone over there knows this is arson plain and simple.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54744 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:36 pm to
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From what I saw when living and frequently diving in other islands in the Pacific Rim, much of the local controlled burn practice was done by poachers using fire to chase animals into clearings rather than responsibly managing anything. The run-off of the charred debris and acidic ash slurry were being blamed for coral bleaching, so there are conflicting opinions about this native practice of random self-serving burning being all that beneficial.

Equating all native fire practices to "random self-serving burning" is a pretty narrow view of it. Also, insinuating that all those were natives doing the burning isn't helpful, or l
likely even true.

Areas of the country that have worked to bring the native population back into the fold (with planned and and safely carried out prescribed burns) have seen marked improvement over areas that still fight the notion.

At the very least they should be "allowed" to burn on their own lands.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 8:37 pm
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
4885 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:37 pm to
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I'll jump to the end,


Of course the OT would omit the white man part.

Rumor has it this song was don Henley’s favorite.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54744 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:47 pm to
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The wife spoke with a friend over there this morning .... this fire is bad and, no one is saying it in the press but, the locals are saying all three fires were set by arsonists strategically and intentionally. There's no other explanation. She told my wife that everyone over there knows this is arson plain and simple.

On the face of it, playing odds would say that is the case, or at least human caused in some way.

Given the high winds along with reports of downed power lines, though, a more natural cause wouldn't be surprising.
Posted by sabbertooth
A Distant Planet
Member since Sep 2006
5287 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:03 pm to
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A hurricane that didn't even hit land is causing the worst disaster in Hawaii history Wonder if insurance companies will charge the hurricane deductible



Insurance companies will take any dodge they can make up. I can see the excuse now.
Hurricane wind damage is only covered. Fire damage driven by hurricane winds is not. We will send an engineer to assess what was wind damage and what was fire damage. Their “ Independent Engineer “ will determine it was 100% fire damage. Sorry Charlie.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69354 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:50 am to
Death toll up to 36
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6145 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:09 am to
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I drive through there sometimes on my way to Wailea


Right! Thank god the fires spared The Four Seasons. What would we do without it.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
3557 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:56 am to
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This is God's retribution for re-casting Magnum P.I




Sorry to deviate from the more important topic at hand- but in all seriousness, i cant believe that abomination is still on the air.. i mean, the guy who plays the new Magnum looks like a chick .. it’s sacrilege .
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78941 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:04 am to
The Banyan Tree ! That’s a great little town.

What about all those beautiful homes on the hillsides. Did those get torched? I haven’t read the thread…
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
5618 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:38 am to
Cause?

Property managers there say homeless encampments.

Link for cause?
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10981 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:19 am to
Wildfires are a natural occurrence on the west side of the islands. Lightening can start them. But the winds were 60-80 mph from that distant hurricane so a California style firestorm rushed to the ocean and torched everything. As everywhere else they’ve had a hotter than normal summer drying everything out more.

It’s very sad. Last time we were in Maui we spent a lot of time on front street. But the highlight was a guided snorkel tour by ourselves on the southwest side. No one else was around and it was like being in an expensive aquarium.
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