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re: BayouTraditions and similar NIL “collectives” are offensive.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:01 am to TNTigerman
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:01 am to TNTigerman
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Present Status of NIL = Communism. Everyone must get a share.
I don't remember where LSU or other universities were forcing money from its fans. This is pure capitalism.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 9:02 am
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:06 am to barry
Capitalism = begging for money to pay employees
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:06 am to TigerFan244
Stay off the OT you bunch of poors.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:11 am to TNTigerman
TnTigerman's education on what communism and capitalism is = dumbass
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:13 am to TJG210
quote:I don't know why everyone throws the transfer portal in with other stuff. The Transfer Portal is just a formal way to let everyone know that a player can be contacted. Rules about immediate eligibility, redshirt rules, etc are separate.
Between this and the transfer portal, I honestly care less and less every year.
And there are a lot of players in it because we have a whole extra class with eligibility thanks to the Covid year competing for the normal number of spots. Things should thin out in a few years when the athletes with the extra year move on.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:20 am to TJG210
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Capitalism = begging for money to pay employees
Uhh universities have been fundraising in the public sphere for 100+ years. You realize TAF money pays coaches right?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:26 am to deuce985
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TnTigerman's education on what communism and capitalism is = dumbass
Very true. NIL is pure capitalism. Where communism comes in is Title IX restricting schools from being able to pay players directly according to the revenue they generate for the program. In that world, Livvy Dunne could make more than most of the football team when you account for her social media exposure. Too bad that world doesn’t exist.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:28 am to barry
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Uhh universities have been fundraising in the public sphere for 100+ years. You realize TAF money pays coaches right?
And those season tix he brags about having also go toward paying the salaries of rank and file athletic department employees. But, but, but that’s all different…
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:32 am to misey94
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And those season tix he brags about having also go toward paying the salaries of rank and file athletic department employees
I’m getting something of value in exchange for my money. This NIL collective is offering a newsletter and some dust collectors, and if you give a lot of pesos they’ll send you a video thanks.
Whoopty doo…..
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:34 am to TigerFan244
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When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
Never....the big boys and players have already got a taste of this version on NIL and for the most part they love it. They won't let the NCAA take it away if the NCAA tries the big boys will leave the NCAA.
The NCAA will do anything to keep that from happening because they like money too.
ETA
FWIW I'm lowering my TAF contribution and add that to what I'll contribute to NIL. I think NIL is more important. TAF and LSU Athletics are going to have to figure out how to make more money from attendance, concessions, other gameday experiences, etc to fund facilities, coach/staff salaries, etc.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:35 am to cafeaulait19
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They should never have gone with NIL as a way to pay players.
It wasn't an option. The NCAA's refusal to see the train coming down the track is why we are here. They had years to formulate a policy for NIL as a case worked its way through the courts. They did nothing and now it's a trainwreck.
States have passed their own NIL laws. I don't know how the NCAA implements a policy that won't violate state law. Each state has their own interpretation of NIL.
The genie isn't going back in the bottle. I have no idea how they will control this mess.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:43 am to TigerFan244
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Imagine a professional team pleading with fans to pay more money so that they can “offer their players more opportunities”.
They do fleece their fans (taxpayers) for more money.
Look how Benson worked New Orleans and Louisiana over to get facilities, an improved venue and sweetheart deals.
Pro franchises have been doing this for decades.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:44 am to misey94
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The broad Supreme Court ruling doesn’t allow for any direct regulation of or restrictions on NIL by the NCAA. They can’t do anything. The federal government could pass laws that tighten the screws on collectives and how they can operate, but that’s about all that can be done that wouldn’t be immediately shot down.
Gotcha. I thought the ruling was just kids were able to make money off their image but I assumed the NCAA would still have authority to provide regulations as to how it operated. I mean every other sports leagues has them so I don’t see why the NCAA would be forbidden from applying their own.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:45 am to TigerFan244
While I don’t disagree , the NCAA no longer controls the legality surrounding the situation. It had an opportunity to settle with O’Bannon and preferred the nuclear option. That resulted in an adverse ruling which they didn’t expect. Frankly , I think any young lawyer would told the NCAA to settle bc athletes do not sell, transfer or otherwise assigned their rights to their personal NIL when they accept a scholarship. They only way to regain control is for P5 to breakaway, start a new group, include uniformed stipend for athletes and an assignment of NIL of the athlete to the new entity. Otherwise , I don’t see how they have the legal authority to regulate NIL payments between a third party and the athlete. Certainly they can regulate the member institutions ability to pay, but not a direct contract between athlete and third party.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:48 am to misey94
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As long as Title IX exists, what you are talking about is impossible without a complete break from the NCAA and the universities. You guys keep saying the same shite over and over but it’s a fricking pipe dream.
I'm not arguing it will or should happen. It's just that constant demands for the "NCAA to do something" to eliminate or cap what is essentially "pay for play" are going to go un-met. It is a lot to try to untangle because while you have football and men's basketball that generate almost of the entirety of the profits at most schools, you can't pay those players and not the other players in other sports...including women's sports. You will essentially have to get a "players union" of all college athletes...in all sports. That would mean the football players and basketball players will almost assuredly make far less than "market value". But unless something is collectively bargained with the NCAA/or conferences, I don't see any measures to "cap" NIL in a practical sense having much effect.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:49 am to TJG210
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I’m getting something of value in exchange for my money. This NIL collective is offering a newsletter and some dust collectors, and if you give a lot of pesos they’ll send you a video thanks.
Whoopty doo…..
It's all the same, the major way to compete pre-NIL was through facilities, thats where a lot of your money went to get good players. Now it just goes straight to them.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:50 am to michael corleone
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Certainly they can regulate the member institutions ability to pay, but not a direct contract between athlete and third party.
Probably stupid question. How is the collective a third party?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:57 am to TigerFan244
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But, can we all once and for all agree that NIL is a sham and that the original intent of NIL has been completely lost.
quote:The NCAA always knew how easily it can be exploited that’s why their rules were what they were. It’s out of their hands now.
When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:01 am to jbird7
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Gotcha. I thought the ruling was just kids were able to make money off their image but I assumed the NCAA would still have authority to provide regulations as to how it operated. I mean every other sports leagues has them so I don’t see why the NCAA would be forbidden from applying their own.
The Supreme Court is why when it comes to NIL. They ruled that it can’t be restricted in any way. Title IX is why when it comes to any kind of revenue sharing and direct payments.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:09 am to GeauxGoose
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As I said, good luck to them, but if it all comes burning down I will not give a damn.
Same. It’s sad.
Lawyers trying to profit from it is one thing. Everyone else just paying a bloated “salary” for an 18-22 year old young man getting free everything, who is not beholden to the school in any way, is preposterous and sad.
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