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re: Have women bitten off more than they can chew w/(family courts/marriage/divorce)
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:20 am to Odysseus32
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:20 am to Odysseus32
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Aren't we trying to solve a problem? Or are we just bitching?
All you can do is try to keep your own house in order. You can’t “fix” other people, macro socio-economic trends, or dictate popular culture.
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:20 am to tigerbandpiccolo
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an equitable partnership
Let’s define this term and see if both participants have the same definitions.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:20 am to theunknownknight
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Because I know a lot guys who have done exactly everything on your list above and beyond and still had to deal with women going after the “slobbier” 6’3 250k guy with mommy/daddy money
Then frick them? That's their prerogative and they will learn later in life that they screwed up.
You can't control what people want in this life.
If someone is well put together, smells good, has their finances and house in order, and isn't autistic, they will very likely find someone eventually.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:21 am to el Gaucho
men are just stupid, marriage has 0 benefit for us and yet you continue to do it and get arse raped in divorce court
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:22 am to Odysseus32
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But this board is mainly men. You can only take care of yourself. If there are a number of women out there who are delusional, let them be.
Can we not agree that the women who want refined men and men who are "undesirable" both might need to shape up? If that's the scenario, most of us here are men. Maybe we should be explaining to men that all you can do is be the best version of yourself. Blaming women, while maybe it feels good and maybe even you're right, does nothing to solve the problem.
Aren't we trying to solve a problem? Or are we just bitching?
I dont like saying "its both". Because its not.
Feminisms has convinced woman they are something they are not.
Men are mostly reactionary when it comes to sexual mating.
All men, across the spectrum of value, will frick as much as his options allow.
Women are the ones that set the standards and have, as we have said, pushed them to unrealistic expectations.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 8:23 am
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:23 am to tigerbandpiccolo
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Because the only things that make women a good partner are cooking and cleaning?
It ain’t the only things but it’s pretty high on the list.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:24 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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i have a theory that a lot of guys are a little too down on their own looks and it gets in their head.
Would not shock me.
People take things like what I said as implying men can't better themselves, which is not what I'm saying at all.
Man even back in my FTJ days, I remember getting on this one guy in particular b/c he was basically proto-incel. He was balding pretty early and had that typical 90s/00s nerdy look/presentation. I remember telling him that he could get a good hair cut (or just shave it) and start working out, get contacts, and that would transform a lot. This was literally 20 years ago.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:26 am to Odysseus32
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Then frick them? That's their prerogative and they will learn later in life that they screwed up.
You can't control what people want in this life.
Exactly right
Now tell that to these same women after the 10% of men plow through them and toss them aside and none of these men they “passed on” wants their worn out asses at 35
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:26 am to JayDeerTay84
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All men, across the spectrum of value, will frick as much as his options allow.
Women are the ones that set the standards and have, as we have said, pushed them to unrealistic expectations.
And since this board is primarily educated upper-middle class people, let me put a specific skew on these statements.
Women out-numbering men so highly in university settings is going to amplify the dysfunction, because men get "cheaper" sex constantly. That's going to mold how the men and women act, as well as their expectations, once they leave that setting.
Since marriage is a symbol of the upper-middle/upper classes today, that creates problems.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 8:27 am
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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And since this board is primarily educated upper-middle class people, let me put a specific skew on these statements.
Women out-numbering men so highly in university settings is going to amplify the dysfunction, because men get "cheaper" sex constantly. That's going to mold how the men and women act, as well as their expectations, once they leave that setting.
This is not accurate at all. You dont understand.
The upper men are smashing all the women because women frick up. Not down.
Men frick down.
Women marry down (post wall).
Example. A guy that is a 10 will smash whatever options he has available that night.
A woman that is a 10, while she has damn near any man she wishes, will only have sex with men equal or above her. This is most always the case. Period.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 8:30 am
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:28 am to tigerbandpiccolo
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Because the only things that make women a good partner are cooking and cleaning?
Think about it this way:
A man wants a woman to help share his burden and make it lighter. A guy who already has a career and a home is already cooking his own meals, cleaning his house, and doing his own laundry. He doesn’t NEED a woman to do any of those things. However, if he dates someone who refuses to do any of those things, that’s not sharing his burden, it’s adding to it.
I absolutely would love to have someone who is willing to cook and clean not because I expect them to do all the work, but because it will help share the load. All of that work must be done by someone, and a marriage should have both partners working together to divvy up responsibilities and resources so that the burden on each is less together than if they were each living alone in different spaces. It’s all about sharing responsibilities and a willingness to work together to accomplish things rather than allowing pride or entitlement to excuse laziness.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:28 am to DiamondDog
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We have no family or friend help. Most people in their 20s do the shuck and strut. Always dropping their kids off and relying on family for babysitting/everything while they still try to go "live".
Same.... we have my wifes parents 30 minutes away and they have been basically no help. for all of their enthusiasm they havent really actually helped. They love seeing him as long as we're there or at least my wife is there. almost 6 months in and we have not had a second to ourselves with someone else watching our son...not even an hour. Where I really boiled over was we all went out to dinner and they sat and watched as me and my wife had to take turns leaving the table to eat cause the dining room was too much for little dude...not once offering to hold him.....then when dinner was over and he was really losing it wanted to take pictures.... this rant has gone off the tracks but yea. not everyone has help...thankfully were the age we are now and we had our fun...it's mentally very hard to have no help but I def can't imagine it in our 20's
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:28 am to Whodat28
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I think they want a wedding. I don’t think they want marriage
This is a great, great way to put it.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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And since this board is primarily educated upper-middle class people, let me put a specific skew on these statements.
Women out-numbering men so highly in university settings is going to amplify the dysfunction, because men get "cheaper" sex constantly. That's going to mold how the men and women act, as well as their expectations, once they leave that setting.
Since marriage is a symbol of the upper-middle/upper classes today, that creates problems.
Compounding that is the fact that women generally will not date or marry someone that has less education than they do and/or makes less money than them.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:31 am to wadewilson
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Compounding that is the fact that women generally will not date or marry someone that has less education than they do and/or makes less money than them.
They’ll f$&k the shite out of them, though.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 8:32 am
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:32 am to tigerbandpiccolo
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These threads bring out the absolute trashiest men of the OT. Cheers, losers.
Yeah, men getting screwed so badly in the court system and men complaining about it makes them losers. Got it!!
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:33 am to JayDeerTay84
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This is not accurate at all. You dont understand.
The upper men are smashing all the women because women frick up. Not down.
But more men are "up" when there are fewer men.
When men outnumber women, women become more prudish and selective because they're more valuable. Men are forced to commit, as a consequence.
When men outnumber women, women become less selective and share men because men are more valuable. Men rarely commit, as a consequence.
Women out-numbering men by a large margin in college created an extreme hookup culture, because men don't have to commit. This has created warped perceptions of what a healthy relationship is that is exposed when they leave college.
Women now no longer out-number men, so they continue the hookup culture but target more desirable men.
Lots of men who were desirable in college are excluded from the dating pool post-college and frustrations ensue. By the time that they're seen as marriage material, you get the post-wall woman who can't pair bond with a triple digit body count, who is clearly settling.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:33 am to Odysseus32
Sick Of these man babies who are stuck in perpetual adolescence complaining about how their wife don't cook, their wife don't clean, their wife dont won't sex no more.... Yet they spend every weekend at the deer camp, the rodeo, fishing, trivia night, and God knows what else why the wife is taking care of business at home.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:34 am to wadewilson
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Compounding that is the fact that women generally will not date or marry someone that has less education than they do and/or makes less money than them.
Yes post-college, this hurts them once they're ready to settle down. It's why they have to settle "down" for men.
Which creates its own issues during the marriage.
It's a really toxic situation long-term.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:35 am to burger bearcat
I guess if you want kids you have to take the chance. Divorce sucks and is expensive but would rather have kids then not. Now being selective about the “one” is very important. Careers are important to be people. I also think the type of city you live in makes a difference. Plenty of people in big cities just wait longer to get married.
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