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re: Utah Republican Senator Mike Lee Introduces Bill to Outlaw All Porn Nationwide
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:30 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:30 am to FooManChoo
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Probably won’t pass but I support it. Porn has destroyed countless marriages and families and ruins the consciences of many people.
I would settle for legislation that prohibits internet porn viewing without verification of age and identity. Not sure exactly how the particulars would be implemented but the fact young children and kids under age 16 can view any type of porn known to mankind without restrictions is insane.
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:31 am to Liberator
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a much needed conversation
Which belongs in homes, religious contexts, and private arenas—not in statehouses.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:33 am to Liberator
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Lee isn't introducing this Bill to enact it; He's starting a much needed conversation over awareness that the abuse of porn (and over-accessibility) has been creating many social problems. MANY affect kids.
Then you don’t introduce legislation to ban it. You introduce legislation to address the risks.
But generally speaking, no, unless there’s a clear victim, govt needs to stay out of it. Marital discord =\= victim.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:35 am to ibldprplgld
quote:You don't think the heath of the family unit has any bearing on the health of a nation?
Marital discord =\= victim.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:36 am to FooManChoo
It's not going to happen and I'm not sure it should on a national level - but I like the move toward abandoning the idea that conservatives are classical liberals with neutrality as the utmost priority. Need more of this type of effort, even if it fails.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:37 am to the_truman_shitshow
They should...
Kids have unfettered access on their phones and a whole generation thinks porn sex is normal sex....No wonder so many are choosing no relationship, and are just choosing to live alone and have pets. It is not needed unless you have a way to stop underage access.
Kids have unfettered access on their phones and a whole generation thinks porn sex is normal sex....No wonder so many are choosing no relationship, and are just choosing to live alone and have pets. It is not needed unless you have a way to stop underage access.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:39 am to Alt26
quote:I think pornography represents a different sort of danger than things like guns and cigarettes, but let's pretend they don't for a second. Cigarettes and guns are regulated and children can't gain access to either on their own very easily. Porn can be pulled up within 5 seconds on a phone that kids have access to, and software meant to limit such access can be pretty easily circumvented.
Porn didn't ruin anything. Just like a gun, by itself, doesn't kill anyone. People choosing to access it is what causes the adverse effects you speak off (except for human trafficking where people are forced to do porn...which is probably VERY rare relative to the industry).
Cigarettes are legal. Smoking them can cause very serious health issues. Yet, somehow people have been able to avoid those by simply choosing to not smoke. No different than porn. If you are worried about the negative effects, simply choose to not access it.
I'm all for freedom of choice. But I'm also in favor of society not having to be responsible for those who make poor choices.
I'd prefer porn be banned entirely, but I would settle for heavy regulation.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:40 am to Liberator
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Yet....when a Senator proposes modifying, regulating to *some* degree -- or at least starting a convo on addressing its access, people ridicule it??
Lee isn't introducing this Bill to enact it; He's starting a much needed conversation over awareness that the abuse of porn (and over-accessibility) has been creating many social problems. MANY affect kids.
Then he should simply start the conversation or propose something to address that. Don't waste the time to draft a bad bill that's clearly insane...
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:40 am to Mo Jeaux
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Not the worst idea.
Agreed.
But the cow is out of the barn on this one.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:40 am to FooManChoo
I’ll clarify my stance (tho I realize your post wasn’t directed at me) …
I do think the heath of the family unit impacts the health of a nation.
I also profoundly believe a personal relationship with God has a strong bearing on a nation.
It doesn’t follow that I also believe government has a place in said conversation(s).
I want those chuckleheads as far from my family and spirituality as possible.
I do think the heath of the family unit impacts the health of a nation.
I also profoundly believe a personal relationship with God has a strong bearing on a nation.
It doesn’t follow that I also believe government has a place in said conversation(s).
I want those chuckleheads as far from my family and spirituality as possible.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:41 am to TROLA
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These fricking ultra religious conservatives could frick up a wet dream. …
Just to know...is unlimited porn like we have today, a negative or positive for a healthy society?
No middle ground, and saying to agree or not with this kind of law. Just wondering if it is beneficial or not.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:43 am to EKG
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quote:
a much needed conversation
Which belongs in homes, religious contexts, and private arenas—not in statehouses.
In the past, a valid suggestion. Now? It's a Brave New World.
Have you forgotten public libraries "storytime"? School "sex education"?
The volume of sex propaganda and promotion (and porn access) is off the charts. Mommy and Daddy simply can and will not restrict little Jonny or Jane's iPhone.
PROBLEMS: The STATE, Corporate entities, and the Public Arena is where people -- most kids -- are getting their acceptance and validation of all that sex (and Porn) IS and DOES.
Like it or not, Porn is an Epidemic -- at EVERY age. At some degree it's been advanced in schools and on the interweb -- thanks to the academe itself, TV, Movies -- aka THE CULTURE.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:43 am to Bass Tiger
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Not sure exactly how the particulars would be implemented but the fact young children and kids under age 16 can view any type of porn known to mankind without restrictions is insane.
Correct. I don’t think it would be that hard to do, either. I might be naive, though.
Elementary-aged children performing searches on their school devices for bestiality would seem to indicate some serious societal issues.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:44 am to the_truman_shitshow
I’d love to see his browser history
Frick this shite
Frick this shite
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:44 am to Liberator
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Mommy and Daddy simply can and will not restrict little Jonny or Jane's iPhone.
But this is also fairly easy to do.
The fact that Google has removed some apps from their store that provide parents with oversight for their kid’s devices should tell us there’s an agenda at work.
And it still goes back to the fricking Marxists.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:45 am to the_truman_shitshow
Da fuq? Why is wasting time on this stupidity? Embarrassing.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:45 am to FooManChoo
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Government does play "morality police" all the time, in many ways, even in ways we appreciate (justice). We just disagree on which morality we want to enforce, and how to go about it at times.
The government has no business regulating individual behavior that does not impinge on the rights, property, and/or security of other people.
There’s a clear, common sense line there. Regulating porn-viewing and murder being illegal are not analogous.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 10:48 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:46 am to Tigahs24Seven
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Kids have unfettered access on their phones
Parents can (and should) monitor/block cell phone settings.
And schools can do the same with their networks.
This is not government’s lane.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:46 am to Indefatigable
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The government has no business regulating individual behavior that does not impinge on the rights and security of other people.
So, no government regulation on “hard” drugs.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:47 am to the_truman_shitshow
Just more performative crap that has zero chance (or need) to be a law.
Talk about porn? All this is is political porn for the low-info base.
Talk about porn? All this is is political porn for the low-info base.
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