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re: The Uvalde received school shooting training 2 months ago; here are the findings
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:27 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:27 pm to OMLandshark
Settle down, bitch
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:29 pm to OMLandshark
I dont understand how the massive data collection thats pretty much prevented another 9/11 style attack isnt being used to subvert these mass shootings.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:31 pm to ThuperThumpin
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He is just asking a question...If they would have breached against orders and kids were killed in the shootout would the cops be held accountable? Im not defending the decision by commanding officer or those guys in the hallway. Just trying to understand what was thier thinking in that moment.
I’ve seen like 5 posters today defending the cops saying “they’re just following orders.” Sorry, I don’t play that game. Get fricked if you think that’s an acceptable excuse.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:32 pm to TexasTiger08
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Fair enough. I want to believe some cop, any cop, would have gone in solo. I could be wrong though
Most small town cops in places where I have lived are so incompetent and out of shape. All they are good for is setting up speed traps.
To be honest, in this particular situation, I wouldn’t put it past the Uvalde police making the situation worse by going in. Ideally, you’re just hoping they absorb enough bullets so the gunman runs out of ammunition he can’t use on small children.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:35 pm to The Spleen
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The NYT is only wrong when it publishes a negative story about Trump.
Were you born with this affliction?
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:44 pm to OMLandshark
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I’ve seen like 5 posters today defending the cops saying “they’re just following orders.” Sorry, I don’t play that game. Get fricked if you think that’s an acceptable excuse.
I nor him said anything about excuses of just followings orders. He was asking if the orders were given and I asked about consequences for not following those orders. This is your post...figured you would want to have a discussion.
I have another question...maybe stupid... how difficult would it have been to breach the room with the equipment they had initially? Were going through windows possible?
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:47 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I have another question...maybe stupid... how difficult would it have been to breach the room with the equipment they had initially? Were going through windows possible?
Ummm, not at all. Just blow his head off through the window. Unhinge the door and fire at him. Get a battering ram. Plastic explosives. Smoke bombs. Who gives a shite, there were hundreds of ways to get in there.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:06 pm to OMLandshark
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Who gives a shite
Just trying to figure out how bad of spot they were in. With out the swat gear how many cops wouldve likely been wounded or killed? Was that a factor in the commander's decision?
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:08 pm to Basura Blanco
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Speaking of which, in the Uvalde case, I know it is assumed, but has it been proven that the killer was on his way to the school to begin with or was it the first place he came too when he crashed the truck?
They have released pics from his social media messages where he tells someone that morning he is going to shoot up an elementary school. It was his intended target, not by chance.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:14 pm to OMLandshark
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Suspect will give an angle for the officer to fire from the hallway.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:26 pm to OMLandshark
No one is coming to save you
No one is coming to save you,
In the moment you need them the most,
It’s just fate and you,
If you dare, derring-do
When your time of the hour draws close,
No one is coming to save you,
Despite what we’ve been told it’s a fact,
When it’s all on the line,
Harrowed hands tick off time,
You can scurry, or cower, or act
Because no one is coming to save you,
Those you trusted await on the hill,
You will face it alone,
On your own, on your own,
So the hero’s boots are yours to fill,
When the ones diving headfirst to danger,
Aren’t the ones that we’ve built to be strong,
Our illusions of trust,
Turn from iron to rust,
And we find we’ve been wrong all along,
Now you know, no one’s coming to save you,
Fire’s spreading with no time to wait,
But it’s better to burn,
Than to linger and learn,
That you’ve answered the call all too late.
No one is coming to save you,
In the moment you need them the most,
It’s just fate and you,
If you dare, derring-do
When your time of the hour draws close,
No one is coming to save you,
Despite what we’ve been told it’s a fact,
When it’s all on the line,
Harrowed hands tick off time,
You can scurry, or cower, or act
Because no one is coming to save you,
Those you trusted await on the hill,
You will face it alone,
On your own, on your own,
So the hero’s boots are yours to fill,
When the ones diving headfirst to danger,
Aren’t the ones that we’ve built to be strong,
Our illusions of trust,
Turn from iron to rust,
And we find we’ve been wrong all along,
Now you know, no one’s coming to save you,
Fire’s spreading with no time to wait,
But it’s better to burn,
Than to linger and learn,
That you’ve answered the call all too late.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:30 pm to td01241
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honestly can’t comprehend how they thought it was acceptable to just stand out there for an hour.
They didnt just stand there. Some went in to get their own kids out.
Others handcuffed parents causing a scene begging them to go in and help
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:35 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I have another question...maybe stupid... how difficult would it have been to breach the room with the equipment they had initially? Were going through windows possible?
Read their training manual on school shootings that’s already been posted.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:18 am to OMLandshark
4 pages into this thread and no one has pointed out that it was actually US Customs & Boarder Control that actually took the shooter out.
I’m gonna make an educated guess and say that they probably don’t train as often as a local PD does for this sorta thing, yet still managed to figure out how to take him out.
I’m gonna make an educated guess and say that they probably don’t train as often as a local PD does for this sorta thing, yet still managed to figure out how to take him out.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:45 am to ThuperThumpin
quote:
Just trying to figure out how bad of spot they were in. With out the swat gear how many cops wouldve likely been wounded or killed? Was that a factor in the commander's decision?
You wouldn’t know. But they were inside the school and outside the school while children were dying. They made a mistake. Most everyone has come to this conclusion.
More laws aren’t going to protect you. Taking guns won’t protect you when only criminals and the government have them.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:47 am to dgnx6
Let's not forget the big brain moment of asking the surviving kids to yell if they needed help which lead to the shooter taking out an additional hidden kid.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:05 am to OMLandshark
Holy shite, what a bunch of low life’s at the New York Times to have published those training manuals!
Not that it’s top secret stuff, but police tactics in active shooter trainings are known to be STUDIED by sociopathic, nihilistic, “news splash” killers. It is irresponsible to publish those manuals especially when summaries would have been sufficient.
And nothing they published is the gotcha they think it is.
It is not unreasonable to imagine that the responding officers had come to believe that the situation had changed into a barricade with hostage situation, and that waiting for shields and a fireman’s hook seemed more prudent. Especially since they were receiving rounds through the door already.
It’s reasonable to believe their narrative that the situation was such that to attempt to breach the door without those tools wasn’t just “risking their lives”, but an absolute turkey shoot for the killer, causing more problems with downed officers blocking the doorway.
It must have been a fricking horror show.
Not that it’s top secret stuff, but police tactics in active shooter trainings are known to be STUDIED by sociopathic, nihilistic, “news splash” killers. It is irresponsible to publish those manuals especially when summaries would have been sufficient.
And nothing they published is the gotcha they think it is.
It is not unreasonable to imagine that the responding officers had come to believe that the situation had changed into a barricade with hostage situation, and that waiting for shields and a fireman’s hook seemed more prudent. Especially since they were receiving rounds through the door already.
It’s reasonable to believe their narrative that the situation was such that to attempt to breach the door without those tools wasn’t just “risking their lives”, but an absolute turkey shoot for the killer, causing more problems with downed officers blocking the doorway.
It must have been a fricking horror show.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:52 am to Cymry Teigr
quote:Blind hogs find acorns.
It’s amazing how all of a sudden this board has gone from the opinion that the NYT is trash to quoting every single article the NYT publishes about it.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:09 am to jamiegla1
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I dont understand how the massive data collection thats pretty much prevented another 9/11 style attack isnt being used to subvert these mass shootings.
because airport screenings, pat downs, TSA, etc, don't affect the typical Americans life like restricting guns apparently would... the safety protocols put in place after 9/11, with the tighter restriction and loss of perceived freedom that was allowed before, would NOT go over well if that same mentality was applied to guns... or is this your first day on the OT?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:39 am to OMLandshark
What a fricking shitshow of cowardly incompetence.
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