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re: The Uvalde received school shooting training 2 months ago; here are the findings
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:48 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:48 am to OMLandshark
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Everyone is railing into this police department over this.
This. I normally take a more measured approach of "this is terrible and tragic, but life will go on" but even I am irrationally furious over what we are learning about the police department.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:49 am to OMLandshark
Those poor poor babies. They were in that room with a lunatic for almost an hour waiting to be killed. Your friends are dead and there’s blood everywhere. The psychological stress on those 10 year olds just breaks my heart.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:03 am to OMLandshark
So they had proper training. Which means they likely were ordered not to go in by the chief.
Also for those who think cops “won’t follow orders” if ever told to confiscate firearms this should show you they would do it. If they won’t disobey orders to save children, they won’t disobey them for anything. Their meager paycheck means more than innocent kids or your rights. Let that sink in and realize where we are as a nation
Also for those who think cops “won’t follow orders” if ever told to confiscate firearms this should show you they would do it. If they won’t disobey orders to save children, they won’t disobey them for anything. Their meager paycheck means more than innocent kids or your rights. Let that sink in and realize where we are as a nation
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:04 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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not a big conspiracy guy, but I’ll be damned if what’s coming out about their response isn’t making me reconsider.
Drop another coin in
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:05 am to OMLandshark
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We need to salt the earth with this cowardly police department.
AR 15’s, too?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:11 am to Team Vote
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If you want to know why nothing will ever truly change in this country, it’s because people are so politically tribal that we can’t even get collectively pissed off about stunning, abhorrent cowardice and incompetence by the police that directly resulted in the deaths of terrified children without checking the party line first
Well said. frick spleen and all his political whackjobs
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:49 am to DavidTheGnome
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But we need to hire retired police and soldiers to stand guard at every school lol. A whole police force is scared to engage but a single retired guy will definitely.
We need to stop hiring guys who were bullied in high school and got a badge so people would respect him, or at least stop picking on him.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:18 am to Jimbeaux
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Holy shite, what a bunch of low life’s at the New York Times to have published those training manuals!
What? Actually doing their fricking jobs finding out what the actual protocols are and finding out they violated all of them? I’m sorry, that’s good reporting.
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It’s reasonable to believe their narrative that the situation was such that to attempt to breach the door without those tools wasn’t just “risking their lives”, but an absolute turkey shoot for the killer, causing more problems with downed officers blocking the doorway.
Waiting a fricking hour as he’s shooting kids? No.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:20 am to deltaland
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So they had proper training. Which means they likely were ordered not to go in by the chief.
Also for those who think cops “won’t follow orders” if ever told to confiscate firearms this should show you they would do it. If they won’t disobey orders to save children, they won’t disobey them for anything. Their meager paycheck means more than innocent kids or your rights. Let that sink in and realize where we are as a nation
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:28 am to meansonny
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But this reporting is a pretty blunt blow against the police and the entire concept of training exercises and leadership.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
You never know how you’re going to act until you’re in that position. Generally you can train yourself to just react without thinking but that takes hundreds/thousands of hours of training to overcome your natural fears/doubts.
Without sufficient training to help you overcome it, you’ll look for any excuse not to. That’s what I legitimately believe happened here.
One became two then two became four and so on. They froze out of self preservation and we ended up with this.
I’m in no way giving the dept or the officers the out bc they should be held accountable, although I’m not sure how, criminally speaking.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:35 am to brass2mouth
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You never know how you’re going to act until you’re in that position. Generally you can train yourself to just react without thinking but that takes hundreds/thousands of hours of training to overcome your natural fears/doubts.
Without sufficient training to help you overcome it, you’ll look for any excuse not to. That’s what I legitimately believe happened here.
Not one person brave enough except for that off duty border patrol agent? I’ve been threatened with a gun once where this thug tried to force me to withdraw cash from an ATM, and I didn’t budge then so I’m almost positive I wouldn’t with dead kids on the line. I’m almost 100% confident this is what would be going through my head in this situation: “Yeah, if you don’t do something here, you will not be able to live with yourself and you will kill yourself out of guilt pretty immediately, so you’ve got to do something.”
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:40 am to OMLandshark
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Not one person brave enough except for that off duty border patrol agent? I’ve been threatened with a gun once where this thug tried to force me to withdraw cash from an ATM, and I didn’t budge then so I’m almost positive I wouldn’t with dead kids on the line. I’m almost 100% confident this is what would be going through my head in this situation: “Yeah, if you don’t do something here, you will not be able to live with yourself and you will kill yourself out of guilt pretty immediately, so you’ve got to do something.”
I think the first couple that got to the scene were justifiably scared, then possibly received an order to stand down and breathed a collective sigh of relief they didn’t have to go in. Self preservation is a mother fricker.
From what I’ve read there was also mass fricking confusion from this “command post” style of command and control where it takes the decision making away from the guys on the ground at the scene and puts it on some incident commander who has a flow chart on what action he’s supposed to take.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:45 am to deltaland
“So they had proper training. Which means they likely were ordered not to go in by the chief”
Either the head guy on the ground made that decision alone, or he possibly was “advised” by a Fed not to go in.
Sound far fetched? Now it’s coming out that the supermarket shooter had an online chat group that he updated his plans to, including telling them right before the shooting that he was on the way.
One of the members of the chat group happened to be a retired FBI agent.
Either the head guy on the ground made that decision alone, or he possibly was “advised” by a Fed not to go in.
Sound far fetched? Now it’s coming out that the supermarket shooter had an online chat group that he updated his plans to, including telling them right before the shooting that he was on the way.
One of the members of the chat group happened to be a retired FBI agent.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:50 am to td01241
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This whole thing is insanely bizarre. I honestly can’t comprehend how they thought it was acceptable to just stand out there for an hour
There was some pussy in the poli board legit arguing that nobody would have acted differently in that situation. Lots of people with really weak mindsets. Probably the type who still wear masks.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 11:51 am
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:00 pm to Cymry Teigr
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t’s amazing how all of a sudden this board has gone from the opinion that the NYT is trash to quoting every single article the NYT publishes about it.
Broken clock, twice/day
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:52 pm to brass2mouth
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think the first couple that got to the scene were justifiably scared, then possibly received an order to stand down and breathed a collective sigh of relief they didn’t have to go in. Self preservation is a mother fricker
2 of the police officers were shot, and they did enough to make him barricade himself in the room and not walk around the school.
The police especially leadership deserve the criticism, but they were on the scene quickly and had him contained. I don’t think it’s fair to say they were completely worthless.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:53 pm to riverdiver
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Either the head guy on the ground made that decision alone, or he possibly was “advised” by a Fed not to go in.
Yes, it’s confirmed the Uvalde Chief of police was on site and calling the shots.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:03 pm to baldona
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but they were on the scene quickly and had him contained. I don’t think it’s fair to say they were completely worthless.
Except for the fact they gave ground and retreated. Second mistake they made in the first four minutes. The first was not at least keeping him actively engaged if they couldn’t move from their initial cover. Then, maybe he would’ve had at least a little less time to murder innocent children at his leisure.
You’re wrong. They’re completely worthless.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:34 pm to OMLandshark
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What? Actually doing their fricking jobs finding out what the actual protocols are and finding out they violated all of them? I’m sorry, that’s good reporting.
First of all, protocols is not the correct term. Some of the methods are highly suggested. Others are options depending on the circumstances which are understood to be highly variable and fluid.
Secondly, good reporting would have been for the reporter to contact the program developers at ALERRT to get expert input and to explain the police tactics.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:37 pm to zsav77
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Except for the fact they gave ground and retreated. Second mistake they made in the first four minutes. The first was not at least keeping him actively engaged if they couldn’t move from their initial cover. Then, maybe he would’ve had at least a little less time to murder innocent children at his leisure.
This is a whole bunch of idiotic falderal that falls under the category of hindsight is 20/20.
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