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re: The Uvalde received school shooting training 2 months ago; here are the findings
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:10 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:10 pm to OMLandshark
Not excusing Uvalde PD actions, but I'll be interested in seeing what the deal was with the barricaded door.
You are trained to go to gunshots...but patrol units usually do not have breaching tools so I could see how that could cause a problem initially with the first couple of officers that responded.
Breaching doors at schools can be difficult due to them being very sturdy and using metal door frames.
You are trained to go to gunshots...but patrol units usually do not have breaching tools so I could see how that could cause a problem initially with the first couple of officers that responded.
Breaching doors at schools can be difficult due to them being very sturdy and using metal door frames.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 3:12 pm
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:13 pm to OMLandshark
What a bunch of cowards. Police walk around all day with full body armor like they are in Baghdad. The chances they survive an encounter like this with their training and body armor are very high.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:14 pm to Jimbeaux
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But here’s a truth you don’t acknowledge, that even if they had accessed the classroom sooner, it’s not known that any additional lives would have been saved.
So let’s just take our time. What if he found the girl who intentionally covered herself in her friend’s blood and found out she was alive? What if he decides to shoot the girl he shot 5 times that survived one more time and killing her? How many kids bled out on the floor that could have been saved if they arrived at the hospital another 30 minutes earlier? You are fricking scum.
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It is believed that the shooter shot everyone in that room in the first 4 minutes. If they didn’t have a halligan or shields, attempting to access that room would have been very difficult or impossible. The shooter was shooting through the door at any sound.
Keyword: believed. People believe all kinds of crazy shite, whether it be that Taylor Swift is directly talking to me through a song that she wants to marry me to the Earth being flat. What the frick does it matter what these dumbasses believe? And if you’re shot in a non-vital organ and are simply bleeding out to death, that 4 minutes vs over an hour makes a big difference.
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I’m not saying that the cops acted perfectly. I’m pretty sure I would have found some other way to get into that room. But I am saying that we are over-vilifying those cops and it’s wrong to assume they were cowards.
bullshite, they deserve the death penalty for cowardice and frick anyone who defends them. Even the likes of Brian Stelter and Oliver Darcy are just ripping into them as brutally as possible. This is black and white.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:16 pm to theenemy
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You are trained to go to gunshots...but patrol units usually do not have breaching tools so I could see how that could cause a problem initially with the first couple of officers that responded.
Such a situation would probably grant a degree of excuse for why they didn’t immediately breach the door when they arrived.
But there have since been photos of the Uvalde PD’s SWAT team, which would suggest that they had the tools, such as a battering ram, available at least somewhere in the vicinity. And those tools should have been on-site well before 60 minutes elapsed after the initial call went out of an active shooter.
Edit: Of course, with the degree to which this SWAT equipment is more about cosplaying than actual police work, who knows if they were even aware of what they had in their SWAT inventory?
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:16 pm to Jimbeaux
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It is believed that the shooter shot everyone in that room in the first 4 minutes
Again, stop repeating this ignorant shite.
Kids in the classroom were calling the police for OVER AN HOUR.
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But I am saying that we are over-vilifying those cops and it’s wrong to assume they were cowards.
bullshite, they deserve every ounce of vitriol coming their way.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:23 pm to Bronc
And to the people saying they couldn’t get a battering ram of some sort within an hour, this mother drove over 40 miles and saved her kids in the school:
And plenty of things can be used as battering rams, like for instance my favorite toy when I was a kid:
And plenty of things can be used as battering rams, like for instance my favorite toy when I was a kid:
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:25 pm to Bronc
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Kids in the classroom were calling the police for OVER AN HOUR.
1) Can you post evidence of this? Not just kids calling from other classrooms, but the room with the shooter?
2) If so, did the officers on scene know that this was happening? Please show me a link to this information.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:26 pm to Jimbeaux
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But here’s a truth you don’t acknowledge, that even if they had accessed the classroom sooner, it’s not known that any additional lives would have been saved. It is believed that the shooter shot everyone in that room in the first 4 minutes.
That’s not a truth. Assuming everyone’s dead while shots are still being heard is the mother of all frickups in an active shooter situation.
It doesn’t matter if you’re not sure if it will save additional lives… you have to assume it can.
You obviously have your mind made up and I’m not going to change your mind with the knowledge I have on this topic.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:28 pm to OMLandshark
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Police officials have said that officers were reluctant to engage the gunman because “they could’ve been shot.”
In my 36 combined years total of LE and military, this…by far…is the most disturbing, alarming, and unacceptable shite I’ve read.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:28 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Such a situation would probably grant a degree of excuse for why they didn’t immediately breach the door when they arrived.
Exactly. That is what I'm saying. Although there training is to "rush" the shooter...the barricaded door would have stopped the first few that got there.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:28 pm to Jimbeaux
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1) Can you post evidence of this? Not just kids calling from other classrooms, but the room with the shooter?
2) If so, did the officers on scene know that this was happening? Please show me a link to this information.
Is this really the hill you want to die on?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:29 pm to OMLandshark
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And to the people saying they couldn’t get a battering ram of some sort within an hour, this mother drove over 40 miles and saved her kids in the school:
Did that mom save her kid from the barricaded room? Nope.
Did that mom know that the cops were trying to keep the shooter from advancing to other rooms and keeping the other kids safe and evacuating them when the scene was secured?
Did the mom potentially cause the situation to become more dangerous for the cops and other kids on the scene? YES
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:29 pm to theenemy
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Breaching doors at schools can be difficult due to them being very sturdy and using metal door frames.
With a halligan tool and a sledge hammer, with a metal door and frame can be opened very quickly. I’ve done it myself.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:29 pm to theenemy
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Exactly. That is what I'm saying. Although there training is to "rush" the shooter...the barricaded door would have stopped the first few that got there.
The extent to which this is an excuse is infinitesimal though. They should have radioed in for the SWAT equipment to get to the school in a fricking hurry and looked for anything to improvise as a battering ram in the meantime.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:30 pm to Jimbeaux
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1) Can you post evidence of this? Not just kids calling from other classrooms, but the room with the shooter?
Students In The Room With The Killer Called 911 Many Times
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Miah said she was scared the gunman would return to her classroom to kill her and a few other surviving friends. So, she dipped her hands in the blood of a classmate -- who lay next to her, already dead -- and then smeared the blood all over herself to play dead.
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She said afterward, she overheard talk of police waiting outside the school. As she recounted this part of the story to CNN, she started crying, saying she just didn't understand why they didn't come inside and rescue them
She also goes on to describe how she laid next to an injured student that was breathing for a while but then stopped. So these cowards potentially could have saved one of those 21 lives had they just done their jobs
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) If so, did the officers on scene know that this was happening? Please show me a link to this information.
You are literally posting in the thread where all of their recent active shooter training the Uvalde department underwent is listed out for you.
At no point in the training does it say: assume everyone is dead, take your sweet time tazing parents and blocking federal agents from going in because you refuse to
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:31 pm to TheBaker
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In my 36 combined years total of LE and military, this…by far…is the most disturbing, alarming, and unacceptable shite I’ve read.
It's very difficult to wrap your head around
And even more disturbing that some people are defending them
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:31 pm to OMLandshark
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Is this really the hill you want to die on?
No one is dying on any hill. I simply asked for evidence that there were kids calling from the barricaded room for an hour. I never heard that and don’t think it’s true.
IF IT IS TRUE, and the cops knew it, then it would change my opinion.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:33 pm to TheBaker
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In my 36 combined years total of LE and military, this…by far…is the most disturbing, alarming, and unacceptable shite I’ve read
Amen brother. Amen.
For the past few years in this site, when it came to the situation officers have been going through recently, I’ve defended them far and wide.
Not this time.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:33 pm to Jimbeaux
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Did that mom save her kid from the barricaded room? Nope.
And if they were she would have bashed her way in there.
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Did that mom know that the cops were trying to keep the shooter from advancing to other rooms and keeping the other kids safe and evacuating them when the scene was secured?
Did the mom potentially cause the situation to become more dangerous for the cops and other kids on the scene? YES
Get fricked, you pussy coward. I hate cowards more than evil shooters, and it’s because shite like this can only be allowed by cowards like you.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:34 pm to TheBaker
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Police officials have said that officers were reluctant to engage the gunman because “they could’ve been shot.”
In my 36 combined years total of LE and military, this…by far…is the most disturbing, alarming, and unacceptable shite I’ve read.
This sounds like total BS. Please try to use critical thinking. This is extremely likely to be a gross misinterpretation of what the “police official” said, otherwise, the person who said it would have been named and quoted.
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