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re: The Uvalde received school shooting training 2 months ago; here are the findings
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:41 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:41 pm to OMLandshark
They definitely earned prison time. The teacher who propped the door open as well. The command above the officers also should be charged and convicted. They weren't going to save all of the kids but probably could have cut it to half had they engaged. Also I think the classroom had windows facing to the outside. So they also had the option of hitting that psycho from both sides and taking him out or taking him down.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:42 pm to td01241
That's the part that is absolutely disturbing. Over 19+ men minimum right there and not ONE broke rank and went after dude. They all need to lose everything they have
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:44 pm to Jimbeaux
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This is a whole bunch of idiotic falderal that falls under the category of hindsight is 20/20.
Ok, so I’m assuming you have some familiarization with active shooter scenarios.
Explain what they did right please.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:53 pm to brass2mouth
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You never know how you’re going to act until you’re in that position. Generally you can train yourself to just react without thinking but that takes hundreds/thousands of hours of training to overcome your natural fears/doubts.
Without sufficient training to help you overcome it, you’ll look for any excuse not to. That’s what I legitimately believe happened here.
This idea here is the only thing that possibly makes sense to me. But to think that there wasn't even one hero in the bunch that could overcome that notion.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:55 pm to chRxis
I’m saying they’re already doing massive data collection on us through our smartphones and computers
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:59 pm to NativeLouisianaian
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The teacher who propped the door open as well.
That teacher is going to suffer enough. The chances of that happening are in the hundreds of millions if not billions. That person will be haunted with this until his/her dying day. That one I feel bad for. We’ve all cut corners where if a psychopath just happened to be there that they could exploit.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:00 pm to OMLandshark
Thanks for posting these. Sincerely frick those mother frickers. Nothing gets me more than the pic with the guy with the AR, body armor, and taser out members while the other cops hold down the parent in the background. ready to tase any parent who dared go for their kid while they are bleeding out for all they know.
As a Marine I feel uniquely qualified to call them all what they were- fricking despicable cowards, frick every last one of them.
As a Marine I feel uniquely qualified to call them all what they were- fricking despicable cowards, frick every last one of them.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:17 pm to zsav77
Let’s first start with some assumptions that the general public is making that are false.
The initial responding officers did not know that there was only one shooter, or why he was shooting. They didn’t know his intent.
It could have been a domestic situation. It could have been a drug deal gone bad. The shooter might have been targeting someone specific either at the funeral home, or some other business, or someone on the street.
From the time lines that I have seen, the actions of the shooter and of the individual officers are mostly plotted out (some speculation as well) but we don’t know what each officer knew at any given moment in time.
The intention of the shooter was not known and it was not known if he might have had an accomplice, a second shooter, or if he had any explosives, which are common.
The officers did follow him into the building after coming under fire. He had already had plenty of time to shoot whoever he planned to shoot in the classroom where he barricaded himself, and he shot at the officers through the door.
The officers kept him from advancing further into the school and killing more students and teachers. They evacuated the kids when they were able to establish a safe zone.
They established a perimeter and kept parents from entering a shooting gallery in a very foolhardy though understandable effort to save their children. The officers knew correctly that the best chances to keep more people from being shot was to keep parents from blindly rushing into a turkey shoot.
It is valid to question whether the police should have attempted to access the barricaded room sooner. Yes, the incident should be investigated for proper handling. Nevertheless, decisions like that under fire are never easy.
And it is clear that the general public are so blind in their shock and dismay at this terrible
crime, that they are looking to place the blame on as many people as possible, and the police are taking too much criticism in my opinion.
The initial responding officers did not know that there was only one shooter, or why he was shooting. They didn’t know his intent.
It could have been a domestic situation. It could have been a drug deal gone bad. The shooter might have been targeting someone specific either at the funeral home, or some other business, or someone on the street.
From the time lines that I have seen, the actions of the shooter and of the individual officers are mostly plotted out (some speculation as well) but we don’t know what each officer knew at any given moment in time.
The intention of the shooter was not known and it was not known if he might have had an accomplice, a second shooter, or if he had any explosives, which are common.
The officers did follow him into the building after coming under fire. He had already had plenty of time to shoot whoever he planned to shoot in the classroom where he barricaded himself, and he shot at the officers through the door.
The officers kept him from advancing further into the school and killing more students and teachers. They evacuated the kids when they were able to establish a safe zone.
They established a perimeter and kept parents from entering a shooting gallery in a very foolhardy though understandable effort to save their children. The officers knew correctly that the best chances to keep more people from being shot was to keep parents from blindly rushing into a turkey shoot.
It is valid to question whether the police should have attempted to access the barricaded room sooner. Yes, the incident should be investigated for proper handling. Nevertheless, decisions like that under fire are never easy.
And it is clear that the general public are so blind in their shock and dismay at this terrible
crime, that they are looking to place the blame on as many people as possible, and the police are taking too much criticism in my opinion.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:24 pm to Jimbeaux
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And it is clear that the general public are so blind in their shock and dismay at this terrible
crime, that they are looking to place the blame on as many people as possible, and the police are taking too much criticism in my opinion.
They stood outside a door and listened to sporadic gunfire and heard screams of children being picked off for over half an hour.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:27 pm to Jimbeaux
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Jimbeaux
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:32 pm to OMLandshark
rabble rabble
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:35 pm to Jimbeaux
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rabble rabble
Your post was indeed that defending the greatest act of cowardice I’ve ever seen. Nine 911 calls out of the classroom. Repeated gun firing in the classroom. Was in the school for over an hour. Go frick yourself for defending those cowards in your incoherent defense. Amber Heard has a better case for being a good spouse than these cops do for not being cowards doing their fricking jobs.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:40 pm to OMLandshark
There have been times that the back - and even front - doors to my house have been left unlocked on accident. Not often, but a couple of times. I always wondered when I got home if someone was in the house.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:40 pm to Jimbeaux
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The initial responding officers did not know that there was only one shooter, or why he was shooting. They didn’t know his intent.
I said I assumed you had some background on active shooter scenarios, but obviously you don’t. Intent doesn’t matter. You go to the gunfire. The whole purpose of going to the shooter is to minimize loss of life and to keep him engaged.
The rest of your post is so idiotic I don’t know where to begin. Doesn’t matter if it’s.a domestic or drug deal gone bad, it’s in a school where shooting in a classroom kept going on throughout the whole ordeal. The director of ISD said the shooter made two turns in a hallway to get to the class room; the officers that responded actually retreated, according to him, which in this situation you never do.
It is also incomprehensible that a halligan tool for breaching couldn’t be obtained for over an hour or another point of entry wasn’t tried. Multiple 911 calls came from the children in the room. Their lives were in jeopardy. That is the only priority.
The director for ISD said it himself yesterday. The wrong calls were made. It wasn’t a barricaded shooter, it was an active shooter.
And before you say I’m talking out of my arse, I have twenty plus years of experience and countless hours of training on active shooter scenarios. Is it easy to say what you would do? Yes. Is it a scary situation? Goddamn right. But you know what’s worse? Letting innocent children and women die by inaction.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:43 pm to zsav77
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It is also incomprehensible that a halligan tool for breaching couldn’t be obtained for over an hour ir another point if entry wasn’t tried. Multiple 911 calls came from the children in the room. Their lives were in jeopardy. That is the only priority.
The guy who ended up killing the shooter was literally in the middle of getting a haircut when his wife texted him what was going on, borrowed his barber’s shotgun, and then blew the mother fricker apart. Strange the situation stopped the second someone determined to stop it by any means necessary arrives at the scene. If there was enough time for all that, you had time to get anything short of a tank or a bazooka.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:44 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:I hate the NYT as much as spleen likes other men to frick his wife but the police in this case are a disgrace and nobody can defend that.
The only reason the NYT is even bothering with this is because it makes police look bad.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:47 pm to justice
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I hate the NYT as much as spleen likes other men to frick his wife but the police in this case are a disgrace and nobody can defend that.
Yeah even archenemies of one another on gun policy are fully lockstep on the police response. Even the more despicable ones on the Left realize that this is not good for their anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric since the police failed across the board here, and who is going to protect my family if the police won’t?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:48 pm to cable
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There have been times that the back - and even front - doors to my house have been left unlocked on accident. Not often, but a couple of times. I always wondered when I got home if someone was in the house.
A year ago I left town accidentally forgetting to close my garage which had an unlocked door leading into my house and it was that way for three days. Got lucky no crackhead came across it and got the wrong idea.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:59 pm to OMLandshark
I did that once when I went on vacation - the police called my parents to come shut the garage door. Now I have an app on my phone so I know if it's open and I can close it from anywhere.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:59 pm to zsav77
This:
Does not equal this: They did nothing right.
I already said that criticism was valid.
But here’s a truth you don’t acknowledge, that even if they had accessed the classroom sooner, it’s not known that any additional lives would have been saved.
It is believed that the shooter shot everyone in that room in the first 4 minutes. If they didn’t have a halligan or shields, attempting to access that room would have been very difficult or impossible. The shooter was shooting through the door at any sound.
I’m not saying that the cops acted perfectly. I’m pretty sure I would have found some other way to get into that room. But I am saying that we are over-vilifying those cops and it’s wrong to assume they were cowards.
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It is also incomprehensible that a halligan tool for breaching couldn’t be obtained for over an hour or another point of entry wasn’t tried. Multiple 911 calls came from the children in the room. Their lives were in jeopardy. That is the only priority.
Does not equal this: They did nothing right.
I already said that criticism was valid.
But here’s a truth you don’t acknowledge, that even if they had accessed the classroom sooner, it’s not known that any additional lives would have been saved.
It is believed that the shooter shot everyone in that room in the first 4 minutes. If they didn’t have a halligan or shields, attempting to access that room would have been very difficult or impossible. The shooter was shooting through the door at any sound.
I’m not saying that the cops acted perfectly. I’m pretty sure I would have found some other way to get into that room. But I am saying that we are over-vilifying those cops and it’s wrong to assume they were cowards.
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