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re: Sochan has to be the pick
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:45 pm to tehchampion140
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:45 pm to tehchampion140
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We were 27th in the league in 3 point %. 3 of the 4 teams in the conference finals are in the top 15.
Defensive Efficiency Rankings
Of the 4 remaining teams in the NBA PLAYOFFS
1- Boston.
2-Golden State.
3-Miami.
6- Dallas
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:50 pm to supe12sta12z
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On another Note, he has Griffin, Mathurin, Davis, and Daniels there at 8 and he has us taking Mathurin.
I do have some concerns about Davis. My big board earlier today wasn’t Pels centric, but if it was I would put a lot of thought into moving Mathurin ahead.
Davis’s ability to fit into an established offense and being what, the 5th, 6th, 7th (maybe lower?) option worries me.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:53 pm to cgrand
Offensive Pace Rankings of the 4 teams remaining in the NBA PLAYOFFS
15-Golden State.
22-Boston.
27-Miami.
30-Dallas
15-Golden State.
22-Boston.
27-Miami.
30-Dallas
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:54 pm to CP3forMVP
Pretty sure two of Griffin, Mathurin or Daniels will be there. I think we can’t go wrong with any of the three but prefer Mathurin or Daniels.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:04 pm to cgrand
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look at the Celtics. Down their two best defenders and up double digits on the better team, on the road
ahem
We need shooting above all else.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:23 pm to Broski
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We need shooting above all else.
Can someone give a legitimate reason on why we NEED shooting? Was our offense not good enough?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:23 pm to CP3forMVP
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Can someone give a legitimate reason on why we NEED shooting? Was our offense not good enough?
Did you watch our 2nd unit in the Suns series?
Also, do you watch the NBA? It's a shooters the league above anything else. Get as many as you can.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:27 pm to CP3forMVP
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Can someone give a legitimate reason on why we NEED shooting?
3 points are more than 2 points
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:45 pm to Broski
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Did you watch our 2nd unit in the Suns series?
Also, do you watch the NBA? It's a shooters the league above anything else. Get as many as you can.
How do you even classify what our second unit was? They pretty much staggered BI and CJ, so is it a unit without CJ off the floor? That’s a legitimate question. If you look at lineups from the Suns series our best offensive lineup with BI was when he was paired with a guy off the bench. That actually holds up defensively as well, which is interesting.
Same actually goes for CJ as well, his best lineups were with two players off the bench. Heck you could take it to 5 guys and our best lineups were with bench players. Nance, Trey, and Jose. Again, that holds up defensively as well.
So I don’t think that’s really true. Add Zion to that, it becomes even less true. If you look at the entire picture, the fact that we hold the best offensive rating in the playoffs, makes it even less true than that.
I think the whole point is for the first time in a long time, we don’t really NEED anything. There are some things you can classify as wanting more than others, but we don’t need anything. Personally I would still put rim defense and perimeter defense at the top of the list.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:59 pm to CP3forMVP
I like Davis defensively and I like the fact he can actually manufacture tough baskets. I don’t love that he struggled to create clean looks against college comp. It’s only going to be more difficult in the nba.
I almost hate to say it, when I watch him, I get some Nickeil Vibes athletically and efficiency wise.
If we are lucky, maybe he becomes a smaller version of Kyle Anderson. Who is a good defender and relatively efficient offensively ever even though he is slow as shite with no vertical.
Plodding athlete. Going to be hard for him to get to the basket and finish in the nba imo.
I think he’s stronger which helps and his jumper is smoother and he def is a lot better defensively.
But I could see him pretty inefficient offensively due to the lead in his shoes. And I wonder how much his defense will translate against better athletes.
Same thing with Dyson Daniels. Although he’s more of a playmaker for others than a scorer. I have the same concerns about him athletically.
I’d probably lean Mathurin and hope our culture and Willie Green leads him to wanting to compete more on the defensive end.
He has the toolbox. Just needs to utilize it.
I almost hate to say it, when I watch him, I get some Nickeil Vibes athletically and efficiency wise.
If we are lucky, maybe he becomes a smaller version of Kyle Anderson. Who is a good defender and relatively efficient offensively ever even though he is slow as shite with no vertical.
Plodding athlete. Going to be hard for him to get to the basket and finish in the nba imo.
I think he’s stronger which helps and his jumper is smoother and he def is a lot better defensively.
But I could see him pretty inefficient offensively due to the lead in his shoes. And I wonder how much his defense will translate against better athletes.
Same thing with Dyson Daniels. Although he’s more of a playmaker for others than a scorer. I have the same concerns about him athletically.
I’d probably lean Mathurin and hope our culture and Willie Green leads him to wanting to compete more on the defensive end.
He has the toolbox. Just needs to utilize it.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:20 pm to yaboidarrell
Bennedict Mathurin
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:47 pm to CP3forMVP
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the fact that we hold the best offensive rating in the playoffs
That is a flawed as hell sample size.
And yes, I realize I brought up our second unit with the Suns, which is the same sample size.
But at times, we started the 2nd quarter/ended 1st quarter with Naji Marshall and Devontae Graham as our backcourt. You need shooters.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:54 pm to Broski
I just don't think there's a clear cut answer. If you could pick another Herb, or a shooter, which do you pick? I see where the shooter seems like the bigger missing piece, and I like what I've seen of Mathurin, but so much of the good offense is created by the defense, so it almost feels like we need to lean into defense.
Maybe the answer is getting a guy like Tari Eason who's a good defender but has some offensive ability to build on.
Maybe the answer is getting a guy like Tari Eason who's a good defender but has some offensive ability to build on.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:09 am to TigerinATL
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If you could pick another Herb, or a shooter, which do you pick?
I think you take the shooter and hope he isn't a total liability on defense over taking the defender and hope he isn't a total liability on offense, if that makes sense.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:16 am to TigerinATL
quote:A shooter, because we already have Herb.
If you could pick another Herb, or a shooter, which do you pick?
If we had enough shooters, i'd pick Herb.
I'm tired of the ball swinging to guys who can't do anything with it. I don't know how anyone can watch the last 5 years of playoff basketball and think we can seriously go anywhere without more shooting.
Max Strus and Gabe Vincent are out there destroying teams. Grant Williams won a game 7 for Boston. Luka drives and everybody on the court with him can knock down a 3. We know who GS is.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:19 am to eyeran
Agreed
Also we are adding Zion to the mix who is another non shooter. Not sure we can afford to add another rotational non shooter in the draft.
Also we are adding Zion to the mix who is another non shooter. Not sure we can afford to add another rotational non shooter in the draft.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:22 am to eyeran
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Luka drives and everybody on the court with him can knock down a 3.
Yep, which is more reason to get more shooters around point Zion.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:33 am to Broski
quote:This is basically what the all the best teams in the league have done. Get a bunch of shooters, install a sensible defensive system, then make sure everyone's held accountable on that end.
I think you take the shooter and hope he isn't a total liability on defense over taking the defender and hope he isn't a total liability on offense, if that makes sense.
Its how Duncan Robinson gets benched for a couple no names who actually buy in on defense. They didn't go out and replace him with non shooters who played great defense. They replaced him with shooters that just happened to try more on defense.
Dallas put a team full of shooters around Luka, then figured out the defense later. There's no reason Phoenix's offense should have looked invincible vs us and pathetic vs Dallas. They don't have amazing defensive talent. They just schemed WAY better than we did.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:55 am to eyeran
And the thing is, if you pick a defender, he needs to be an elite defender (a la Herb) for me to feel comfortable putting them on the court, otherwise it's a wasted spot if he's a decent defender that doesn't give you much offensively.
We call that Naji Marshall.
On the flipside, if he's a shooter who struggles on defense... then you have another Trey Murphy.
We call that Naji Marshall.
On the flipside, if he's a shooter who struggles on defense... then you have another Trey Murphy.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:59 am to Broski
But beyond the philosophy of shooting vs defense... we simply don't have many shooters.
It's CJ, Trey and maybe BI.
That's not going to get you very far.
It's CJ, Trey and maybe BI.
That's not going to get you very far.
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