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re: Sochan has to be the pick

Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:46 pm to
Posted by Poichess
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:46 pm to
Who can score off the dribble?
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:46 pm to
I'd be pretty happy with anyone that's not duren.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:49 pm to
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Who can score off the dribble?


Zion, BI and CJ

Or did you mean which draft pick? Not sure, I don't follow the draft too closely.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 8:50 pm
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:49 pm to
no doubt

the fastest way to the court is to defend. Load up

Murphy is going make these draft-a-shooter conversations hilarious this time next year.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24835 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:50 pm to
quote:

59% free throw shooter scares me.


I’m out.

quote:

look at the Celtics. Down their two best defenders and up double digits on the better team, on the road


frick it, I’m in.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 8:52 pm
Posted by RUFshreve
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Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:50 pm to
I agree he can guard alot of 5's too. Everything you said is true. But fans love offense. And he's the least offensively talented prospect in the top 10.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:51 pm to
quote:

But fans love offense.

have you met GTA and not on herb?
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:53 pm to
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Murphy is going make these draft-a-shooter conversations hilarious this time next year.


Why? We only need 1 shooter? If you believe in Murphy, and obviously Herb, where does Sochan fit into that? People should really quit looking at the BPA stuff so shallow. There’s much more that goes into scouting than raw talent
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:58 pm to
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Why? We only need 1 shooter?

you’re right, nobody on the current roster besides Murphy can shoot

what was I thinking
Posted by tehchampion140
Member since Sep 2010
18851 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

you’re right, nobody on the current roster besides Murphy can shoot

what was I thinking

We were 27th in the league in 3 point %. 3 of the 4 teams in the conference finals are in the top 15.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 9:04 pm
Posted by jamal
Places Unknown
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:10 pm to
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Who can score off the dribble?

Johnny Davis, SG from Wisconsin.

Would give us another creator who can also defend good on the perimeter.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 9:13 pm
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14899 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:10 pm to
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We were 27th in the league in 3 point %. 3 of the 4 teams in the conference finals are in the top 15.


Our ORTG post CJ trade was in the 118’s, the NBA record was in the 116’s by the Nets last season. We currently hold the top spot for best offense per 100 possessions in the playoffs.

And we are adding a guy who averaged 27 pts a game in just his second year in the league, and was the leagues most efficient iso player.

We are fine offensively.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10388 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:16 pm to
Kinda interesting that Vecenie’s first post lottery mock has Sochan going to Portland at 7.

On another Note, he has Griffin, Mathurin, Davis, and Daniels there at 8 and he has us taking Mathurin.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 9:19 pm
Posted by Kerchek
Member since Oct 2021
585 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:16 pm to
It's gonna be hard to convince fans to spend a top 10 pick on a player who shot the 3 ball under 30% and under 60% free throws.

With that said Sochan is going to be a nice player in the league.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32445 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:16 pm to
I wouldn’t say he has to be the pick, but I definitely wouldn’t be disappointed in that pick.
Posted by BamaPelican
Member since Apr 2022
426 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:21 pm to
From the guys that seem to keep coming up.

Sochan is a 4 that can’t shoot, and is a head below the rim athlete, but does seem to hustle…hard pass at #8…there are better and more ready options.

Mathurin and Sharpe may both be gone, but they have better size/length, ball skill, athleticism combinations. Agbaji is older but also fits that mold and shot better than Mathurin.

Davis is undersized, not a dynamic athlete, and a poor shooter…another hard pass at #8. He plays hard but his physical limitations at the NBA level are real.

Dyson Daniels has good size (more so if he is a guard), but is a fairly average NBA athlete and shot poorly all year with the couple of exceptions that seem to have people excited. His flashes give a bit of hope for more upside, but he is a better pick value down the board from #8.

Griffin is an X factor…he didn’t show the same athleticism as in HS, but has a great frame and shot the lights out. If his athleticism comes fully back (even in HS his run/jump skills were behind Mathurin, Sharpe, and Agbaji levels) and his shooting isn’t a mirage then he could be a nice SG/Wing player, but his meds are pretty scary.

Ivey is an athletic shoot first PG/SG in the Collin Sexton mold but with a less proven jumper. He is a high risk/reward pick IMO depending on his work ethic and development. Could be a Jordan Clarkson type bench flamethrower if he develops, but has a low floor.

Keegan Murray…likely a nice bench producer but star potential is pretty low due to lack of raw NBA level athleticism.

TyTy….just no…was invisible for most of SEC play.

Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14899 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:27 pm to
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It's gonna be hard to convince fans to spend a top 10 pick on a player who shot the 3 ball under 30% and under 60% free throws.


Oh I know, but it’s astonishing to me that so many think and feel that whoever we draft will/should have a role on this team next year, but their answer is to draft guys that don’t impact the game in other ways other than needing shots when we already have BI, CJ, Zion, and Val.
Posted by Kerchek
Member since Oct 2021
585 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:30 pm to
Davis is not an undersized SG im confused.
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:35 pm to
You are one of the ones beating the BPA drums saying fit doesn’t matter, but now we need a defender more than anything, so one of the worst offensive fits in the draft makes sense because he can play defense….

Beyond the fact that he is really bad offensively, he also isn’t a good rebounder. So the fit with Zion would make even less sense.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14899 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:42 pm to
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You are one of the ones beating the BPA drums saying fit doesn’t matter


Go back and read my posts, fit doesn’t matter at the top of the draft, but as you get more into larger tiers fit definitely comes into play to separate guys. I just said that word for word yesterday.

I would also heavily disagree with your offense and rebounding statements. Go back and read my big board from earlier, fluid ball handler and playmaker. Just because he is a poor shooter doesn’t mean he’s bad offensively. He’s also not a bad rebounder.

Lastly, back to my big board. I had him at #7 today, so let’s not act like this is just about fit. I think he’s a more complete and more well rounded prospect.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 9:47 pm
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