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re: Supreme Court Blocks Biden's Vaccine Mandate
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:18 pm to Wednesday
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:18 pm to Wednesday
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That said- Gorsuch was Trump’s best pick of the bunch.
Absolutely! And I love that he refused to wear a mask causing Justice Karen to feel she needed to be virtual.
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:29 pm to bbvdd
THANK GOD!!
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:35 pm to jatilen
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The question, then, is whether the Act plainly authorizes the Secretary’s mandate. It does not. The Act empowers the Secretary to set workplace safety standards, not broad public health measures.
I called this earlier. Essentially applied the same standard to the mandate that they applied to the eviction moratorium.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:50 pm to Bro Rabbit
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They let it stand for health care workers?
Health care workers are no longer afforded constitutional rights?
bullshite!
This is going to court again.
It’s not all healthcare workers. Just certain ones that fall under the Medicare/Medicaid umbrella.
They can choose to not be Medicare/Medicaid facilities to be exempt from it.
The below line is where they differ from regular schmuck working in a factory somewhere.
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Relying on these authorities, the Secretary has estab- lished long lists of detailed conditions with which facilities must comply to be eligible to receive Medicare and Medicaid funds.
Such conditions have long included a requirement that certain providers maintain and enforce an “infection prevention and control program designed . . . to help prevent the development and transmission of communicable diseases and infections.”
*edited to add more to quote*
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:55 pm to Nutriaitch
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It’s not all healthcare workers. Just certain ones that fall under the Medicare/Medicaid umbrella.
They can choose to not be Medicare/Medicaid facilities to be exempt from it.
The below line is where they differ from regular schmuck working in a factory somewhere.
Health care workers still have the same constitutional rights as any "regular schmuck working in a factory".
Even "ones that fall under the Medicare/Medicaid umbrella".
Our so-called conservative justices are spineless.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:02 pm to whowasbert
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The Supreme Court has gone full-on facist. Our government shouldn’t give citizens freedom of choice in a emergency situation like this. Too much is at stake
Ask this clown if certain death being prevented is enough justification. When they say yes remind them of the survival rate of abortion.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:05 pm to bbvdd
So this goes back the 6th Court? Is it over-over or just over for now?
Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:30 pm to rudy99
It’s not technically over over but it’s pretty much dead. SCOTUS was clear
Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:34 pm to The Boat
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Healthcare facilities can and have mandated vaccines if they choose their whole existence.
i dont know about mandate. It was usually left up to the states and it was more of the, if you want your employees to get the flu shot, then you must provide them with it free of charge.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:38 pm to DaTruth7
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:39 pm to Nutriaitch
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It’s not all healthcare workers. Just certain ones that fall under the Medicare/Medicaid umbrella.
They can choose to not be Medicare/Medicaid facilities to be exempt from it.
This is the type of information I came here for.
I just read where the health care worker mandate was only for "federally funded" facilities. That seems like a huge gray area, in what could possibly be contextually construed as "federal funding".
Just curious because Mrs. TigerAxe was in nursing until she was "laid off" because she refused the "vaccine". She really wants to get back into nursing but she will NOT take the gene manipulation injections. Wondering if, now that the SCOTUS has ruled, some of these facilities will now back off on injection requirements?
And clarification on what "federally funded" actually means, would be appreciated.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:41 pm to tarzana
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Something about the ruling has the markets in a funk. The S&P, Nasdaq and DJIA have all dropped LIKE A ROCK since the Court spake this afternoon.
I can tell you’re not in the investment biz….lol!
Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:43 pm to TigerAxeOK
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And clarification on what "federally funded" actually means, would be appreciated
One would assume hospitals such as the old Charity, LSU med nola, any free hospital. That’s what you would assume, but does “funded” mean the state/government pays the budget or does is it include non-profit hospitals billing for medicaid/medicare.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:58 pm to Bro Rabbit
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Health care workers still have the same constitutional rights as any "regular schmuck working in a factory". Even "ones that fall under the Medicare/Medicaid umbrella".
correct.
an one of those rights is to choose to not work for a place that is federally funded.
being funded by the federal government puts them under more federal government regulations than non-government funded.
if you want that government money, you have to follow the government guidelines to get that money.
if you don’t follow those guidelines you don’t get the money.
whether those guidelines are good/bad/unnecessary/or just plain stupid is a different argument.
but it’s pretty clearly statess that they can (and have in the past) issue those guidelines, including medications.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 6:18 pm to bbvdd
The right decision was made.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 6:25 pm to tharre4
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reat! but why is the health care industry still getting screwed?
People need to refuse. If they mandate that I have to take the shot to receive medicare pay, I'll tell them to piss off. Gives me an excuse to quit seeing medicare patients with that shitty reimbursement without being the bad guy. Will be able to cut my staff in half.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 6:41 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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The Act empowers the Secretary to set workplace safety standards, not broad public health measures.
Honest question, because I’m happy with the outcome, but doesn’t OSHA already have the power to regulate “broad public health measures” like fire and slip and fall cases, that are not limited to the workplace?
The argument just seems flimsy, and I think a finding of fact that this is not a danger to public health would have been the much shorter route.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 6:49 pm to TigerAxeOK
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This is the type of information I came here for. I just read where the health care worker mandate was only for "federally funded" facilities. That seems like a huge gray area, in what could possibly be contextually construed as "federal funding". Just curious because Mrs. TigerAxe was in nursing until she was "laid off" because she refused the "vaccine". She really wants to get back into nursing but she will NOT take the gene manipulation injections. Wondering if, now that the SCOTUS has ruled, some of these facilities will now back off on injection requirements? And clarification on what "federally funded" actually means, would be appreciated.
They accepted my sister’s religious exemption Dec 6 and the way she explained it to me is that as long as the clinic/provider accepts Medicare/Medicaid, they’re governed by them.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 6:50 pm to Boring
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but doesn’t OSHA already have the power to regulate “broad public health measures” like fire and slip and fall cases, that are not limited to the workplace
Never heard of a mandated vaccine/forced innoculation for a workers comp slip n fall case. I think you're comparing apples to Pluto.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 6:52 pm to Nutriaitch
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correct. an one of those rights is to choose to not work for a place that is federally funded. being funded by the federal government puts them under more federal government regulations than non-government funded. if you want that government money, you have to follow the government guidelines to get that money. if you don’t follow those guidelines you don’t get the money. whether those guidelines are good/bad/unnecessary/or just plain stupid is a different argument. but it’s pretty clearly statess that they can (and have in the past) issue those guidelines, including medications.
Federal funding doesn’t negate constitutional rights,
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