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re: Supreme Court Blocks Biden's Vaccine Mandate
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:15 pm to udtiger
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:15 pm to udtiger
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just remember who he replaced (Kennedy). he sees himself as that swing vote - the person "above the fray". He didn't count on Ginsburg buying it and him just being another vote once Barrett got there (note she was in favor of BOTH stays).
Agreed on all counts.
There may be hope for ACB yet to hit her stride. Kav was only picked BC he was going to be easily confirmable and non-controversial. Which is why what happened to him was such bullshite. That said- Gorsuch was Trump’s best pick of the bunch. Dude is rock solid in the mold of Nino. Plus not a lot of beating around the bush in his opinions. Straight up. To the point. And spot on.
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:15 pm to angryslugs
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So the 6th rules that the mandate can be enforced and then we're right back to SCOTUS?
they could, but they already have a damned good idea what the SCOTUS thinks about this and they likely won't want to antagonize them by spitting in their faces after they have essentially been given an advisory opinion.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:16 pm to rt3
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other 4 conservative justices against it
I think you mean the "only" 4 conservative justices
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:17 pm to udtiger
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they could, but they already have a damned good idea what the SCOTUS thinks about this and they likely won't want to antagonize them by spitting in their faces after they have essentially been given an advisory opinion.
That makes sense. Hopefully you're right
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:18 pm to bbvdd
boom
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:21 pm to bbvdd
So Kavanaugh cucked on the health care workers issue.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:22 pm to PineyWoodsHog
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CMS states that physicians' offices are not subject to Medicare's health and safety regulations;
Wow, I have worked in hospitals for nearly 25 years and always assumed doctors offices were subject to the same rules as hospitals.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:25 pm to Putty
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So Kavanaugh cucked on the health care workers issue.
It was the correct decision. People think having a conservative court means you get what you want. It means following the constitution. Healthcare facilities can and have mandated vaccines if they choose their whole existence.
It’s why he blocked the OSHA mandate.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:26 pm to jm_1776
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Why should the healthcare mandate any different??? Can they show that healthcare workers have have been affected any differently than anyone else?
I don't agree with the healthcare mandate.
But, the argument is probably due to healthcare workers having to, by the nature of their job, treat sick people.
I don't agree with it. I don't think that the vaccine at this point protects the patient at all. I think it is based on falsified data.
But, from a logical standpoint, I think that's what this is about. Before the vaccine was available...before it was obvious of its shortcomings, I spoke with a doctor who told me he "had" to get the vaccine because of this reason. From an ethical standpoint, he "couldn't" put his patients at risk and having to treat people while seeing COVID patients meant he had to be vaccinated.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:27 pm to LongueCarabine
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I have worked in hospitals for nearly 25 years and always assumed doctors offices were subject to the same rules as hospitals.
They would be if the "rules" were on an even playing field. But this was not a law that was vetted through Congress or the normal rulemaking process, it was the Executive branch weaponizing and artificially gaming the system with a Cuck co-equal branch doing nothing about it. Meanwhile, the Legislative branch are all having bacon wrapped shrimp tonight knowing not a single one of them had to go on record or in session with one iota of this. We have become weaker as a nation today Colonel Nathan Jessup style for this CMS trojan horse job.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:39 pm to bbvdd
thank The Almighty.
ty ussc.
ty ussc.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:39 pm to PineyWoodsHog
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CMS's vaccine mandate will affect staff at only certain enumerated Medicare and Medicaid-certified healthcare providers and suppliers:
ambulatory surgical centers
hospices
psychiatric residential treatment facilities
programs of all-inclusive care for the elderly
hospitals (acute care hospitals, psychiatric hospitals, long term care hospitals, children's hospitals, hospital swing beds, transplant centers, cancer hospitals, and rehabilitation hospitals)
long term care facilities, including skilled nursing facilities and nursing facilities
intermediate care facilities for individuals with intellectual disabilities
home health agencies
comprehensive outpatient rehabilitation facilities
critical access hospitals
clinics, rehabilitation agencies, and public health agencies as providers of outpatient physical therapy and speech-language pathology services
community mental health centers
home infusion therapy suppliers
rural health clinics/federally qualified health centers
end-stage renal disease facilities
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CMS's vaccine mandate does not apply to staff of physicians' offices. CMS states that physicians' offices are not subject to Medicare's health and safety regulations; however, they may face state vaccine regulations or other federal vaccine mandates such as those issued by Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).
It's interesting that it does not apply to the staff of physicians' offices. There really isn't any explanation given, just that they "are not subject to Medicare's health and safety regulations."
I'm wondering if there is a way this leads to more boutique medicine?
In many cases, you're still going to need to go a large hospital system for care. But if there more urgent care facilities that could not accept Medicare/Medicaid patients because they are not vaccine compliant, could a cottage industry pop up? Urgent Care clinics doing things like stitches, x-rays, antibiotics afterhours and on weekends but cash pay or private insurance only? Your kid busts their head open on a Saturday but you don't have to sit in an ER waiting room full of Medicaid/Medicare patients?
I fully admit I don't understand all the rules of medical reimbursement, I'm asking if this could work.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:39 pm to moneyg
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I don't agree with it. I don't think that the vaccine at this point protects the patient at all. I think it is based on falsified data. But, from a logical standpoint, I think that's what this is about. Before the vaccine was available...before it was obvious of its shortcomings, I spoke with a doctor who told me he "had" to get the vaccine because of this reason. From an ethical standpoint, he "couldn't" put his patients at risk and having to treat people while seeing COVID patients meant he had to be vaccinated
Patients are clearly better protected if we did not rely on vaccination status as a viable measure of protection from healthcare workers. Either they are positive for an ailment or not. In a pandemic, test daily regardless of vaccine status.
As a patient, I have no shits to give about vaccine status. I expect that administrators would choose the wiser alternative of ensuring someone who is positive for the virus would not be in close proximity contact with me. Give me unvaccinated and healthy all day every day over vaccinated and positive for the virus. In 2019, this did not seem like a crazy thought. But apparently healthcare administrators began to think differently in 2021.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:40 pm to Irish Knuckles
Excellent. No forced shots for this Pureblood.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:42 pm to everytrueson
Amen.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:57 pm to bbvdd
They let it stand for health care workers?
Health care workers are no longer afforded constitutional rights? bullshite!
This is going to court again.
Health care workers are no longer afforded constitutional rights? bullshite!
This is going to court again.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:02 pm to bbvdd
Suck it Brandon. Freedom wins!
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:08 pm to Jbird
upvote #50...for the states!!!!
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:12 pm to everytrueson
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Excellent. No forced shots for this Pureblood.
Same, I love this like a fat kid loves cake. Stick your attempts at governmental overreach way, way, WAY on up your arse, President* Brandon.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:12 pm to Lightning
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I fully admit I don't understand all the rules of medical reimbursement, I'm asking if this could work.
I think some of the things you mentioned could be a possibility. I'm certainly no expert on the rules either. I just noticed several folks asking questions about who the CMS madate applied to and felt bad for them because they weren't getting answers. Luckily, I fall into the 100+ OSHA category and I'm not in medical so I got good news today. I hate it for the ones that got the crappy news today.
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