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re: Kerry Cooks signs 3 year deal, average 500k per year
Posted on 12/10/21 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/10/21 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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2. Is Cooks a suitable replacement for Bill Busch?
FIFY. Let’s wait and see what the full defensive staff looks like and who covers what positions before we make those kinds of comparisons.
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Posted on 12/10/21 at 7:58 am to Cs
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You think Kelly is bringing him to allow him to coach a different position group for the first time ever in his career?
The Advocate stated Kelly wasn’t assigning him a position yet until spots are filled. So take that up with coach.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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2. Is Cooks a suitable replacement for Corey Raymond?
The very real possibility that you are ignoring here is that the comparison should be Cooks to either Busch or DJ. Based on Kelly’s history, it’s pretty easy to assume we will have another position coach covering the secondary when all the hires are settled.
Everyone wants to analyze every detail in real-time, but that’s just been a waste of time through this entire coaching search and hiring process. You should know this as well as anyone by now.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 10:10 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:32 am to misey94
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The very real possibility that you are ignoring here is that the comparison should be Cooks to either Busch
Busch seems better. Our safety play was pretty elite when he was here and his crootin is better. I mean he got Burrow and Ricks and I don't think Cooks has ever been a primary on a 5-star. Busch also got guys like Ika and Anthony Bradford. He also has recruited a lot more guys who have gone onto the NFL
Cooks needs to prove he's a top notch recruiter and our CBs coach needs to be on Raymond's level to make this part even.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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Cooks needs to prove he's a top notch recruiter and our CBs coach needs to be on Raymond's level to make this part even.
He’s actually got a good track record as a recruiter considering where he’s been and when. He wasn’t going to have a shot at many 5 star defensive players at places like OU (especially when he was there) or TTU, and he was just an analyst at ND. I think he could end up being close enough IF BK makes the right hire for the other side of the secondary.
Look, I’m not saying Cooks is a great hire. He’s the weakest so far and may not even turn out to be a good one. But let’s at least find out what else we have before we judge the final product. Pretty much all of the reactionary snap judgements around here have proven to be wrong when things played out.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think Cooks has ever been a primary on a 5-star
This is not a legitimate concern IMO. Have you seen his list of all-time commits? He's been the primary on multiple high 4-star guys. You think he's going to sit down with a "5-star" and piss himself or something? Brendan Radley-Hiles was rated 38th in the country, he could've easily been a 5-star.
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Additionally, what was Corey Raymond doing before LSU? Every 5-star he signed was while he was at LSU, he didn't have any before then.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Cooks needs to prove he's a top notch recruiter and our CBs coach needs to be on Raymond's level to make this part even.
This is getting closer to the ultimate comparison needing to be made, but you also have to include Frank Wilson vs Kevin Faulk. Unless the other DB coach hired is a complete bust, all that is likely to be a net upgrade. We still need to let all the pieces come together before we fully understand the picture.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
Why sign him to a 3year deal?
Give him a 2 year deal.
Like i said I'll give him a chance but i don't love the hire
Give him a 2 year deal.
Like i said I'll give him a chance but i don't love the hire
Posted on 12/10/21 at 11:16 am to Chalkywhite84
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Why sign him to a 3year deal?
The release I saw indicated that was the standard contact length for LSU football assistants. I don’t know why that’s the standard or why there even needs to be a standard, but it’s not unreasonable to give it to him if it is the standard.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:43 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Why sign him to a 3year deal? Give him a 2 year deal.
He apparently is a pretty good recruiter, especially in Texas & N. Louisiana on top of being a strong secondary coach. 3 years is enough time to have his players developed and entrenched within his discipline.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:52 pm to DBG
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Corey should be figuring out how to eliminate coverage busts by his safeties
He didn't even coach safeties the last 3 years.
When do you think those coverage busts started?
Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:57 pm to The Pirate King
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Cooks will coach on the defensive side of the ball.
“I am excited to add a Kerry Cooks to our defensive staff,” Kelly said. “He is a versatile coach and a proven recruiter, and he has a unique ability to empower and inspire student-athletes. His experience at the highest levels of the game as a player, position coach, and coordinator will be instrumental to our success moving forward.”
Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:59 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Because he isn't an analyst Lonn. He coaches safeti
Not lonn bitch. He was an analyst the last 2 years.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:06 pm to Captain Crown
“versatile coach”
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:28 pm to The Pirate King
Sounds reasonable enough.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:36 pm to jonboy
jonboy,
you do know he was at OU, which has never had a secondary that was any good. 2 of those seasons he was there was Bob Stoops last 2 seasons where the OU defense was the worst I have ever seen. OU fan base patience for good ole Bob was running out those last few seasons.
So I'm not crazy about this hire but if there will be a 2nd DB coach that can support and recruit, then we will see.
To say this guy is as good as Raymond is laughable. Look at the DBs in the NFL coming from LSU versus OU or where Cooks has been.
you do know he was at OU, which has never had a secondary that was any good. 2 of those seasons he was there was Bob Stoops last 2 seasons where the OU defense was the worst I have ever seen. OU fan base patience for good ole Bob was running out those last few seasons.
So I'm not crazy about this hire but if there will be a 2nd DB coach that can support and recruit, then we will see.
To say this guy is as good as Raymond is laughable. Look at the DBs in the NFL coming from LSU versus OU or where Cooks has been.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:41 pm to jp4lsu
Cooks’ final three seasons — 2016-18 — OU ranked 111th, 87th and 129th, respectively, in the FBS in pass defense. The 2018 ranking was last nationally, and that squad intercepted only six passes.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:46 pm to jonboy
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Apples to apples its as good, if not better than Raymond's.
By what measure? How about we compare defensive pass efficiency ratings for each year when both were coaching DBs during the same year?
Here are Oklahoma’s stats on the left compared to what Raymond was doing at LSU.
2015 108.5 (9th) LSU ranked 51st
2016: 129.9 (66th) LSU ranked 14th
2017: 135.9 (85th) LSU ranked 9th
2018: 151.9 (112th) LSU ranked 4th
How bout them apples to oranges?
Other than me being an idiot for attempting a statistical comparison in a message board conversation, do you see any positives that reflect well on the Cooks v Raymond comparison?
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:50 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Cooks’ final three seasons — 2016-18 — OU ranked 111th, 87th and 129th, respectively, in the FBS in pass defense. The 2018 ranking was last nationally, and that squad intercepted only six passes.
And since then they were 82nd in 2019 and 100th in 2021 in passer rating defense. (They were Top 10 in 2020, but also Top 10 with Cooks in 2015.) It doesn’t look like Cooks was the problem.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:55 pm to Willie Stroker
Now compare Oklahoma in 2019-2021 to Oklahoma in 2015-2018 and you will see no improvement with Cooks gone. Then add in LSU in 2019-2021 with Raymond, especially 2020-21. Either Raymond suddenly isn’t a good coach or the stats say more about the DC than the DB coach.
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